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A Double Standard? (True Slave Foundations)

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Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-10-31 20:43:44 UTC
Crazy woman, on the summit.
Isn't that the norm?
On a side note, it's a good thing that the moderation team includes representatives from all backgrounds, including the TSF. That way someone on the moderating team will understand cultural contexts for certain remarks .

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.

Viktrix Vhymidor
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-10-31 20:46:28 UTC
Doesn't the crazy woman have interests with Diana Kim?

Possible smokescreen?
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-10-31 20:53:12 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:

Just another fact making it more and more disgusting to call myself a capsuleer these days.


The point. If there is one. Best you let it sit with that, Isis.
Since the days of Veto, more and more capsuleers are drifting toward the scum-soaked sides of EVE.
In the past, you've said this is one of the more interesting facts of this community.
Now it's time to eat your own words.

I miss the days The Summit really was neutral ground. Moreso, I miss the days The Summit was further endorsed by the greater powers.
Who can blame them now, we're all scum.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#24 - 2013-10-31 20:53:26 UTC
It is rather vile that the Summit permits moderation from those who are enemies of all the empires.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#25 - 2013-10-31 21:03:02 UTC
Viktrix Vhymidor wrote:
Doesn't the crazy woman have interests with Diana Kim?

Possible smokescreen?


The only smokescreen here is those trying to hide the fact that there is a threat far worse than any seeded Federal influencer or Imperial heretic, and it brews from within this forum and what has been advocated the meeting ground channel for all four of our empires.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-10-31 21:06:29 UTC
Saber1 wrote:
Since the days of Veto, more and more capsuleers are drifting toward the scum-soaked sides of EVE.

Hey, leave Veto out of this. At least they had standards.

Like refusing to work with, oh, say, the Sansha, even though the Guristas are technically allied with them.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#27 - 2013-10-31 21:08:39 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Saber1 wrote:
Since the days of Veto, more and more capsuleers are drifting toward the scum-soaked sides of EVE.

Hey, leave Veto out of this. At least they had standards.

Like refusing to work with, oh, say, the Sansha, even though the Guristas are technically allied with them.


I said SSSHHH! Double standards, lack of standards and standardized excuses are not to be spoken of.
Can't have such things getting in the way, can we? It'd be inconvenient and ****.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Zanzibar Heroshima
Daeuuas.
#28 - 2013-10-31 21:09:48 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Saber1 wrote:
Since the days of Veto, more and more capsuleers are drifting toward the scum-soaked sides of EVE.

Hey, leave Veto out of this. At least they had standards.

Like refusing to work with, oh, say, the Sansha, even though the Guristas are technically allied with them.


Not to rain on your parade, TS-F worked with Veto on several operations.
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
#29 - 2013-10-31 21:16:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sofia Roseburn
Zanzibar Heroshima wrote:
Not to rain on your parade, TS-F worked with Veto on several operations.


You're totally raining on his parade, and it's great because it was a joke from the outset. Much like the entire pretext of this thread.
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-10-31 21:17:21 UTC
Zanzibar Heroshima wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Saber1 wrote:
Since the days of Veto, more and more capsuleers are drifting toward the scum-soaked sides of EVE.

Hey, leave Veto out of this. At least they had standards.

Like refusing to work with, oh, say, the Sansha, even though the Guristas are technically allied with them.


Not to rain on your parade, TS-F worked with Veto on several operations.


As said, scum.
Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#31 - 2013-10-31 21:18:24 UTC
Zanzibar Heroshima wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Saber1 wrote:
Since the days of Veto, more and more capsuleers are drifting toward the scum-soaked sides of EVE.

Hey, leave Veto out of this. At least they had standards.

Like refusing to work with, oh, say, the Sansha, even though the Guristas are technically allied with them.


Not to rain on your parade, TS-F worked with Veto on several operations.


M'yes it was sad to see once great entity slumming around like that. I guess that is what Syndicate does to you.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#32 - 2013-10-31 21:34:18 UTC
Let me make a small defense:

I'm the most neutral moderator in the summit.

No really. Let me explain.

My official policy since joining the Foundations (I was put in place as a moderator while an Amarr loyalist) has been to avoid taking any sides when it comes to the moderation of anyone in the Foundations, or with Nation ties.

When it comes to the rest of you, who are the vast majority, I am entirely neutral in my lookout from one person to the next. I have always striven to moderate based entirely on the actions of individual members. I don't take sides based on ideologies because all of your ideologies are equally abhorrent to me.

The second issue is "What power do I actually have as a moderator of the summit"

The answer is none. I usually spend my hours in the thankless, volunteer task trying to keep people from murdering their crews, or making blatant racist comments. And I never, ever, get involved in an official capacity with any argument that I am part of, so its actually been MORE possible to ***** about Nation with me around than with me not around.

In the case of the OP, I got into an argument with her about her statements that Sex Slavery was an entirely valid "profession", and called her dumb. I did not moderate, or threaten to moderate. They have literally nothing to complain about from an official capacity, unless they want the moderation team to start getting even harsher in terms of moderation.

So, with that said

Thanks very much for your concern, I will take it under advisement.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#33 - 2013-10-31 21:40:54 UTC
Sex obsessed firecracker gets told off.

Modules have been rustled.

So business as usual then, Tiberious?

Katrina Oniseki

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#34 - 2013-10-31 21:42:21 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Sex obsessed firecracker gets told off.

Modules have been rustled.

So business as usual then, Tiberious?


P. much.

Should also note that the only time moderation got brought up as a thing was when the OP tried to bait me into banning her and I refused.
Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-10-31 21:42:25 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Ahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha AHHHHhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha hahahaha


I don't always agree with Sansha followers but when I do....
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#36 - 2013-10-31 21:46:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
EDIT: Adding reply above message,
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Let me make a small defense:

I'm the most neutral moderator in the summit.

No really. Let me explain.

My official policy since joining the Foundations (I was put in place as a moderator while an Amarr loyalist) has been to avoid taking any sides when it comes to the moderation of anyone in the Foundations, or with Nation ties.

When it comes to the rest of you, who are the vast majority, I am entirely neutral in my lookout from one person to the next. I have always striven to moderate based entirely on the actions of individual members. I don't take sides based on ideologies because all of your ideologies are equally abhorrent to me.

The second issue is "What power do I actually have as a moderator of the summit"

The answer is none. I usually spend my hours in the thankless, volunteer task trying to keep people from murdering their crews, or making blatant racist comments. And I never, ever, get involved in an official capacity with any argument that I am part of, so its actually been MORE possible to ***** about Nation with me around than with me not around.

In the case of the OP, I got into an argument with her about her statements that Sex Slavery was an entirely valid "profession", and called her dumb. I did not moderate, or threaten to moderate. They have literally nothing to complain about from an official capacity, unless they want the moderation team to start getting even harsher in terms of moderation.

So, with that said

Thanks very much for your concern, I will take it under advisement.


Believe it or not, I'm in agreement. The topic of sex slavery was a hot issue and it doesn't help that there are a far few that actually understand it. Yet it is a key ingredient within New Eden, hanse I argued it wasn't dumb. But that's not what this topic is about.

This topic is about why you're even here. And why you're even able to threaten people with channel moderator use.

You're evil.

By four empires' standards of law.



As for you, Saber. I'll eat my words but raise you this!

As far as I was tracking, The Summit was SUPPOSED (after some digging) to function similar to the CONCORD Assembly for the immortals. A place of neutral ground for the four empires and their capsuleers within.

For as we all know it is impossible to be neutral to ALL parties.

Everyone has an enemy, even the State.


But now there's a catch. So many have stated they're enemies of Sansha but are they allowed to voice that in the channel. To undermine a Sansha speaker or even individually attack them, is to violate the rules of the channel. (Not what happened with my situation, my issue with the toaster was minor, it was resolved, and only got me into thinking about this bigger picture.)

God help the capsuleer who is a lone survivor of a Sansha incursion. They breathe one whiff of this community and that sponsored channel and all sense of justice is long gone…

"YOU! You ******* took my family!"

Banned.

That's how it will go.

Maybe it won't be Sansha as the target audience, maybe it will be Blood Raiders. Maybe even Guristas.

Perhaps The Summit actually PROMOTES these activities as it shelters individuals involved with them from the wrath of the empires' immortal populace?

"Kill millions. You're fine if you're here. In fact, you seem nice and fair, here are some moderation controls. Go set good examples, fine sir."

So entirely sickening...

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#37 - 2013-10-31 21:47:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jinari Otsito
I have to say I can understand it when people question how the good folk who spend so much time trying to twirl mustaches, appear all "Kuvakei's Finest", and for that matter try to justify the greatest travesties to befall dirtsiders since we first started roaming the skies are given such preferential treatment.

There's entire lists of people tossed mammaries over posteriors out of places like the aforementioned Summit without having done much of anything in New Eden. People who on the other hand at least claim to stand side by side with those who do... face no consequences at all.

You can't say it doesn't look odd, Oni.

Edit: In no way or form does OTSI or it's CEO (me), capsuleer employees (me), dirtsider employees (not me) and starbase structures (kind of not me) endorse nor affiliate with that woman up above. She's kind of weird.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-10-31 21:49:28 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Fine, Saber. I'll eat my words but raise you this!

As far as I was tracking, The Summit was SUPPOSED (after some digging) to function similar to the CONCORD Assembly for the immortals. A place of neutral ground for the four empires and their capsuleers within.

For as we all know it is impossible to be neutral to ALL parties.

Everyone has an enemy, even the State.


But now there's a catch. So many have stated they're enemies of Sansha but are they allowed to voice that in the channel. To undermine a Sansha speaker or even individually attack them, is to violate the rules of the channel. (Not what happened with my situation, my issue with the toaster was minor, it was resolved, and only got me into thinking about this bigger picture.)

God help the capsuleer who is a lone survivor of a Sansha incursion. They breathe one whiff of this community and that sponsored channel and all sense of justice is long gone…

"YOU! You ******* took my family!"

Banned.

That's how it will go.

Maybe it won't be Sansha as the target audience, maybe it will be Blood Raiders. Maybe even Guristas.

Perhaps The Summit actually PROMOTES these activities as it shelters individuals involved with them from the wrath of the empires' immortal populace?

"Kill millions. You're fine if you're here. In fact, you seem nice and fair, here are some moderation controls. Go set good examples, fine sir."

So entirely sickening...



Considering channels change just like anything else in time, the most I've seen Tiberious ban someone for was showing their genitals on the channel. You are diving way too much into a channel where it bounces from politics to sex, then back to some sort of other sex way too seriously Isis.

If you don't like how things are ran or think there will be some doomsday due to the Summit I'd suggest you either join the Sphere or something else of that nature.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#39 - 2013-10-31 21:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Liuni Kalthis wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
Fine, Saber. I'll eat my words but raise you this!

As far as I was tracking, The Summit was SUPPOSED (after some digging) to function similar to the CONCORD Assembly for the immortals. A place of neutral ground for the four empires and their capsuleers within.

For as we all know it is impossible to be neutral to ALL parties.

Everyone has an enemy, even the State.


But now there's a catch. So many have stated they're enemies of Sansha but are they allowed to voice that in the channel. To undermine a Sansha speaker or even individually attack them, is to violate the rules of the channel. (Not what happened with my situation, my issue with the toaster was minor, it was resolved, and only got me into thinking about this bigger picture.)

God help the capsuleer who is a lone survivor of a Sansha incursion. They breathe one whiff of this community and that sponsored channel and all sense of justice is long gone…

"YOU! You ******* took my family!"

Banned.

That's how it will go.

Maybe it won't be Sansha as the target audience, maybe it will be Blood Raiders. Maybe even Guristas.

Perhaps The Summit actually PROMOTES these activities as it shelters individuals involved with them from the wrath of the empires' immortal populace?

"Kill millions. You're fine if you're here. In fact, you seem nice and fair, here are some moderation controls. Go set good examples, fine sir."

So entirely sickening...



Considering channels change just like anything else in time, the most I've seen Tiberious ban someone for was showing their genitals on the channel. You are diving way too much into a channel where it bounces from politics to sex, then back to some sort of other sex way too seriously Isis.

If you don't like how things are ran or think there will be some doomsday due to the Summit I'd suggest you either join the Sphere or something else of that nature.


Scroll up, the question isn't about him banning people. The question is why is it him banning people?

He and his entire corp are enemies of all New Eden.

THAT PART. …is the problem for I and I'm sure a number of others here.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-10-31 21:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Liuni Kalthis
Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on.