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Exchange programme announced between Elusenia and Khanid Duchy of Palas

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Franseza Quiniou
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-10-30 21:27:54 UTC
The Director of Education along with the Rector of the University of Elusenia have jointly announced a student exchange programme to take place between the Cooperative Republic of Elusenia on Vale IV and the Duchy of Palas on Palas VIII. Twenty students, ten from each state, will spend the equivalent of two semesters in the respective foreign institutions, either the University of Elusenia in central Eluseny or the Ducal Seminary for the Propagation of Faith 'Armani I' in the White City (officially known as Armaniyye). Applications are already open for Elusenian students, and competition appears fierce amongst the candidates. Unconfirmed reports are abound that Duchess Odelya d'Hanguest, head of state of Armaniyye, facilitated the deal personally.

The Palasian students will be immersed in religious studies from the Gallente perspective, analyzing various belief systems as well as the Amarr faith itself in a secular and sociological light. In contrast, the Elusenian students will share classes with priests in training, instructed by clerics of the Duchy. While the ten Elusenian students will be housed in an endowed property in the White City, their Palasian counterparts will abode with the rest of the student body in campus dormitories. A Palasian priest will also reside in private accommodation on campus to provide to the exchange students' religious requirements. He is rumoured to be close to the Order of Tetrimon, though this is unlikely to be made an official consideration.

Seo Nam-Soo, Rector of UoE, hailed the exchange programme as a "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for ten ambitious students to intellectually immerse themselves in a foreign culture and develop a greater understanding of human civilization". She continued to assert that the Palasians will receive "the warmest welcome from our students and their full hospitality". The scheme is said to be a wider ambition of the Elusenian government to diplomatically penetrate the Amarr Empire by first gaining a foothold in the relatively more open and commerce-minded Khanid Kingdom.

The final selection of the ten exchange students will be announced in the coming weeks, as will the formal commencement of the program.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2013-10-30 22:15:04 UTC
The first defection from which student body?
The first violent casualty from which student body?
Number of Khanid students purged for heresy within the year?

Kirjuun - what sort of action is there?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-10-30 22:31:24 UTC
Kingdom pragmatism and a reputation for self-reliance has worked quite well alongside Caldari partners for generations.

There is a reason this relationship has not happened with the Gallente.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
#4 - 2013-10-31 12:07:01 UTC
In the Name of the Lord


To the Subjects of Palas and Elusenia and the Interested Public,

with great joy Her Grace the Duchess confirms the exchange treaty between the Duchy of Palas and the Cooperative Republic of Elusenia. A decree pertaining to the programme (#PaEl-153010) has been lodged with the Ducal Council.

We wish to communicate that naturally it is a substantial challenge to accept Gallente students and grant them access to the ducal seminary. Yet we are convinced that this challenge mirrors an integral part of the essence of our faith. We are asked to spread the Word of the Lord, and we are obliged to find appropriate ways to do so. It is our sacred burden to enlighten the ignorant and to educate those who do not know. The Light of the Lord will shine upon those who truly seek and who are truly guided. Knowledge on the other hand is the key to communicate effectivly and thus Her Grace is very pleased to also offer ten Palasians the opportunity to study foreign religions in a scientific environment which is equally challenging.

Her Grace is very delighted to give ten foreign students the opportunity to experience Khanid traditions and customs in Armaniyye and in the spirit of cordiality will provide each student, Elusenian and Palasian, with a personal scholarship and generous travel founds. To ensure the safety and conduct of the Elusenian students, ducal guards will be posted at their housing and accompany them whenever necessary.

Under the guidance of His Excellency the Dean of the Ducal Seminary for the Propagation of Faith 'Armani I' a committee has already selected ten students from honourable Palasian families. Their reputation, faith and commitment to the Khanid Kingdom, the Duchy of Palas and the nature of the exchange programme is beyond doubt and we look forward to send them to Elusenia.

It is the inclination of Her Grace to foster relationships between institutions of higher learnings and promote the development of the sciences.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
Chancellor of the Ducal Council
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-10-31 12:14:49 UTC
Yes. We have all seen the good the Gallente do when they establish a 'foot hold' in a 'commerce minded state'.

As someone truly interested in learning more about my chosen faith through my chosen teachers (Dark Amarr).

I must decline an invitation to be taught my faith 'from the perspective of the gallente'.

If anything I would seek to see it as the Khanid see it.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2013-10-31 13:57:29 UTC
Once again d'Hansguest betrays the trust of those ancestors who earned the exalted title she now abuses. The Gallente way of thought is a cancer that should be kept away from faithful Amarrians at all costs.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-10-31 14:00:12 UTC
How strange.

I'd say more, but really. Is there more to be said?

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-10-31 14:16:31 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Once again d'Hansguest betrays the trust of those ancestors who earned the exalted title she now abuses. The Gallente way of thought is a cancer that should be kept away from faithful Amarrians at all costs.



I believe his Highness showed the proper way to keep a Gallente, on a leash.

It would be wise to use his model as insperation.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-10-31 14:24:06 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Once again d'Hansguest betrays the trust of those ancestors who earned the exalted title she now abuses. The Gallente way of thought is a cancer that should be kept away from faithful Amarrians at all costs.



I believe his Highness showed the proper way to keep a Gallente, on a leash.

It would be wise to use his model as insperation.



That particular trophy has never sung better since her enslavement.


Sabik now, Sabik forever

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#10 - 2013-10-31 15:37:43 UTC
Eh, pretty sure those little Eagles will be watching this very closely.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-10-31 15:42:32 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Eh, pretty sure those little Eagles will be watching this very closely.


They'd better not get themselves into a flap then.
That being said, I'm sure the MIO or its Khanate equivalent will be doubtless taking a direct interest as well.

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#12 - 2013-10-31 15:52:37 UTC
Arista Shahni wrote:
How strange.


What's so strange about an exchange program between two academic institutes? Alas, sometimes I forget the cluster is the business of promoting close-mindedness.

As for any SDII presence in Elusenia, it can be assured that the foremost function of the Elusenian Intelligence Agency (EIA) is counter-intelligence. Any FIO presence in our borders will not have a legal mandate until one has been granted either by our government or the Eustron District Court. In short, any Federal intelligence assets in Elusenia will be treated as malignant. Federation Law protects the rights of private corporate land.

All that being said, I'm sure the FIO have better things to do than worry about an island not much bigger than 200 hundred thousand square kilometres. There's at least two other temperate worlds in Vale they have to worry about.
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#13 - 2013-10-31 17:24:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Odelya d'Hanguest
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Once again d'Hanguest betrays the trust of those ancestors who earned the exalted title she now abuses. The Gallente way of thought is a cancer that should be kept away from faithful Amarrians at all costs.

So? Your Emperor Heideran signed several treaties with the Gallente (CONCORD, Interbus, the Gallente-Amarr Free Trade Agreement, the treaty of Girani-Fa—to name a few). Your Empress Jamyl Sarum didn’t even react when the Gallente invaded Kor-Azor, slaughtering her subjects. Treason? Abuse of title? Why remain silent on this matters? If an academic exchange infuriates you, you should be on your way to Dam-Torsad now and demand an end to those imperial perversions! But on the other hand it is no real secret that the unofficial battle cry of PIE is “double-standard and paranoia”. You should be ashamed of the corrupted lies your lips form!

However tell me, Lok’ri, how do I abuse my title by fostering intellectual exchange? The oncologist doesn’t have to love the cancer to study it.

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
What's so strange about an exchange program between two academic institutes? Alas, sometimes I forget the cluster is the business of promoting close-mindedness.

It is the paranoid style of most imperial capsuleers, one shouldn’t expect better of them. They only difference they allow between themselves is that of “Yes!” and “Yes, Sir!”

But by their standards it is a soft reaction. Usually they label everything they don’t understand heresy. I invite all interested imperial capsuleers to study theology at the Ducal Seminary for the Propagation of Faith 'Armani I' —for sure it will open many pathways of understanding to you.

With kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2013-10-31 17:35:09 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Arista Shahni wrote:
How strange.


What's so strange about an exchange program between two academic institutes? Alas, sometimes I forget the cluster is the business of promoting close-mindedness.

As for any SDII presence in Elusenia, it can be assured that the foremost function of the Elusenian Intelligence Agency (EIA) is counter-intelligence. Any FIO presence in our borders will not have a legal mandate until one has been granted either by our government or the Eustron District Court. In short, any Federal intelligence assets in Elusenia will be treated as malignant. Federation Law protects the rights of private corporate land.

All that being said, I'm sure the FIO have better things to do than worry about an island not much bigger than 200 hundred thousand square kilometres. There's at least two other temperate worlds in Vale they have to worry about.


An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war? I'm not so sure that's as common or straightforward as you think.

Especially when one of those two nationstates has a reputation for espionage.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#15 - 2013-10-31 17:43:18 UTC
I am sure the Khanid Zealot population of Palas will be Overjoyed at the prospect of heathen Gallente appearing.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#16 - 2013-10-31 18:06:38 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war? I'm not so sure that's as common or straightforward as you think.


I cannot reconcile this mindset at all. It's as if just because there is a limited war going on, all empire stargates are locked to denizens of opposing empires. There are thousands of non-Gallente students at the University of Caille, for example, so I see no issue here. Besides, no declaration of war has been formally approved by the Senate towards the Amarr Empire or newly-vassalized Khanid Kingdom. Certainly, the Kingdom is not a participant in the CEMWPA, and I don't recall there ever being any direct confrontation between them and the Federation.

In any case, I think you very mildly insult the cultural integrity of both groups of students.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-10-31 18:12:50 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:


In any case, I think you very mildly insult the cultural integrity of both groups of students.


That is amusing as many Kingdom conservatives would think this program insults the cultural integrity of the Kingdom.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2013-10-31 18:17:20 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war? I'm not so sure that's as common or straightforward as you think.


In any case, I think you very mildly insult the cultural integrity of both groups of students.


Silly me, you're quite right. Students do something ill-advised for money? That NEVER happens.

And for a short time I was a frequent visitor to one of the University of Caille campuses, so if you're trying to sell me on the sobriety and sense of the denizens of THAT institution, you're on a hiding to nothing.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#19 - 2013-10-31 18:26:04 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Silly me, you're quite right. Students do something ill-advised for money? That NEVER happens.


It's a good thing their finances are covered.

Quote:
And for a short time I was a frequent visitor to one of the University of Caille campuses, so if you're trying to sell me on the sobriety and sense of the denizens of THAT institution, you're on a hiding to nothing.


Not sure what you mean by this. UoC sits at the top of the higher education ladder.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2013-10-31 18:29:26 UTC
Students are what we used to call, in the business, an 'At Risk' social grouping. They have a tendency to be highly malleable to media and peer group influences. They tend to, as a group, be more likely to make bad decisions than the norm. They tend to, as a group, engage in risky behaviours than the norm.

They also tend to be susceptible to radicalisation. When you combine that factor with their poor judgement and idealogical malleability you get a very interesting and explosive combination.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

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