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Suggesting updated rules for highsec capitals

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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#41 - 2013-10-27 18:27:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Diomedes Calypso
I would think that any well adjusted person would understand the clearly expressed sentiment; they are grudgingly tossing existing holers a bone to basically let the caps stay arround in high sec as novelties vanity items

Its like a vintage tank or model t you would see driven in a local forth of july parade

Don't be a nutcase anal retentive unable to hear the "spirit if the law" that they have clearly expresed to anyone with basic social skills. If you start trying to make it a letter of the law thing they oughta just put aside the the good spirit they're expressing by aallowing you use of the vanity item outside of the rules thst apply to all other caps in the game

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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#42 - 2013-10-27 18:41:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Money Makin Mitch
i see no good reason why high sec capital sales are forbidden

same with the ban on using caps for aggression

seems like unnecessary rules to me
Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
#43 - 2013-10-27 18:57:48 UTC
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
I would think that any well adjusted person would understand the clearly expressed sentiment; they are grudgingly tossing existing holers a bone to basically let the caps stay arround in high sec as novelties vanity items

Its like a vintage tank or model t you would see driven in a local forth of july parade

Don't be a nutcase anal retentive unable to hear the "spirit if the law" that they have clearly expresed to anyone with basic social skills. If you start trying to make it a letter of the law thing they oughta just put aside the the good spirit they're expressing by aallowing you use of the vanity item outside of the rules thst apply to all other caps in the game


This exactly.

And I agree with previous posters that your cap should be moved to low sec. Obviously, you lack common sense or maturity to stick to the gentlemen agreement CCP once offered.

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Astral Alliance
#44 - 2013-10-28 19:50:44 UTC
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Prince Golem
Perkone
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-10-29 01:11:51 UTC
well I guess that ends this threadShocked
Shaun Hansen
Tactically Challenged
The Initiative.
#46 - 2013-10-30 12:12:21 UTC
This is a copy of what I've written on www.themittani.com:

Reading this just makes me absolutely furious. He did in no way break any rules and this stinks like a ton of rotten carcasses. You CCP guys just frakkin' give him the ship back. An Archon can be replaced but you can't replace an Archon in highsec. I am so dissappointed of CCP and furious on behalf of Astecus.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2013-10-30 12:27:18 UTC
Guy gets banned for fitting a drone control unit? That's not even against the rules. And this guy was specifically asking GMs about the rules to make sure he didn't break any. What on earth is wrong with the GMs?
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#48 - 2013-10-30 12:35:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
High sec Capitals are a touchy and grey area and any real discussion on that is dangerous, whether that discussion happens now to talk about allowing POCO attacks or not or after a while when people start to whine about how this IS a form of pvp (it is) and that these caps should be removed from high sec. Because it may very well, again, turn out that CCP will go "off with their heads!".

So the OP is willing to risk his and every other high sec capital for the chance to do some easy structure grinding. OP is an idiot.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-10-30 12:46:13 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
Even if he didn't want it for some reason, he'd be far better served selling it through someone like Chrissba or whatever (I know that's not his name :P). He'd get huge ISK for it and be able to buy 1 in low/WH with a lot of spare ISK leftover.


That isn't allowed, actually.

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GM Spiral
Game Master Retirement Home
#50 - 2013-10-30 13:14:07 UTC
As for the OP, your ticket is still open you can still exercise your right to have the matter reviewed by a senior member of the GM department if you believe things to be amiss and it will be investigated.

Capital ships in high security space have been a regular discussion topic in the GM department ever since the events which resulted in the current rules for high-sec capitals.

To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats, and will also include the new player owned customs offices in high sec that are coming. They are for showing off or hangar decoration only and should not impact upon the game play of any other player in that system in any way (with mining being the only exception).
High-sec capitals may not be sold, traded, or change hands through any means whatsoever.

We will be happy to review and reconsider said rules if that is what our community believes is something that needs to be done.

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Alt Two
Caldari Capital Construction Inc.
#51 - 2013-10-30 13:18:14 UTC
GM Spiral wrote:
As for the OP, your ticket is still open you can still exercise your right to have the matter reviewed by a senior member of the GM department if you believe things to be amiss and it will be investigated.

Capital ships in high security space have been a regular discussion topic in the GM department ever since the events which resulted in the current rules for high-sec capitals.

To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats, and will also include the new player owned customs offices in high sec that are coming. They are for showing off or hangar decoration only and should not impact upon the game play of any other player in that system in any way (with mining being the only exception).
High-sec capitals may not be sold, traded, or change hands through any means whatsoever.

We will be happy to review and reconsider said rules if that is what our community believes is something that needs to be done.

Does using hardeners or other non-offensive tank modules to tank belt rats while mining count as "defending from belt rats"?
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#52 - 2013-10-30 13:26:04 UTC
I believe you should review caps in high sec.

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GM Spiral
Game Master Retirement Home
#53 - 2013-10-30 13:27:54 UTC
Alt Two wrote:
GM Spiral wrote:
As for the OP, your ticket is still open you can still exercise your right to have the matter reviewed by a senior member of the GM department if you believe things to be amiss and it will be investigated.

Capital ships in high security space have been a regular discussion topic in the GM department ever since the events which resulted in the current rules for high-sec capitals.

To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats, and will also include the new player owned customs offices in high sec that are coming. They are for showing off or hangar decoration only and should not impact upon the game play of any other player in that system in any way (with mining being the only exception).
High-sec capitals may not be sold, traded, or change hands through any means whatsoever.

We will be happy to review and reconsider said rules if that is what our community believes is something that needs to be done.

Does using hardeners or other non-offensive tank modules to tank belt rats while mining count as "defending from belt rats"?


If he is not aggressing the NPCs, we are not going to consider it a violation. On the flip side, that carrier is not preventing others from killing these NPCs and profiting from it as it would if it killed them. Very minor profit, granted but we have to draw a line somewhere. Besides, we doubt that high sec belt rats could even kill an untanked carrier going from downtime to downtime so it hardly matters.

If someone now goes and loses a high sec carrier to NPCs in a belt based off my previous statement: No, you are not getting it back. :P

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Alt Two
Caldari Capital Construction Inc.
#54 - 2013-10-30 13:31:50 UTC
GM Spiral wrote:
Alt Two wrote:
GM Spiral wrote:
As for the OP, your ticket is still open you can still exercise your right to have the matter reviewed by a senior member of the GM department if you believe things to be amiss and it will be investigated.

Capital ships in high security space have been a regular discussion topic in the GM department ever since the events which resulted in the current rules for high-sec capitals.

To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats, and will also include the new player owned customs offices in high sec that are coming. They are for showing off or hangar decoration only and should not impact upon the game play of any other player in that system in any way (with mining being the only exception).
High-sec capitals may not be sold, traded, or change hands through any means whatsoever.

We will be happy to review and reconsider said rules if that is what our community believes is something that needs to be done.

Does using hardeners or other non-offensive tank modules to tank belt rats while mining count as "defending from belt rats"?


If he is not aggressing the NPCs, we are not going to consider it a violation. On the flip side, that carrier is not preventing others from killing these NPCs and profiting from it as it would if it killed them. Very minor profit, granted but we have to draw a line somewhere. Besides, we doubt that high sec belt rats could even kill an untanked carrier going from downtime to downtime so it hardly matters.

If someone now goes and loses a high sec carrier to NPCs in a belt based off my previous statement: No, you are not getting it back. :P

Yeah I understand the rule about not killing the rats. I was just wondering if fitting defensive modules was a violation as well :)
Thank you for the quick answer.
Old Phill
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-10-30 13:35:30 UTC
not being tradable is a huge finger up to any collector i mean its up there with rare limited edition ships atleast i may get one of those one day probably not but the thing is i can in theory
Nicen Jehr
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#56 - 2013-10-30 13:40:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicen Jehr
GM Spiral wrote:
...To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats, and will also include the new player owned customs offices in high sec that are coming. They are for showing off or hangar decoration only and should not impact upon the game play of any other player in that system in any way (with mining being the only exception)...
can you explicitly state whether OP can shoot Interbus customs offices? (as opposed to player owned customs offices)? if I was in charge, I would let him... but I would also make shooting NOCO grant suspect flag alongside pve :)

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#57 - 2013-10-30 13:43:23 UTC
GM Spiral wrote:


If he is not aggressing the NPCs, we are not going to consider it a violation. On the flip side, that carrier is not preventing others from killing these NPCs and profiting from it as it would if it killed them. Very minor profit, granted but we have to draw a line somewhere. Besides, we doubt that high sec belt rats could even kill an untanked carrier going from downtime to downtime so it hardly matters.

If someone now goes and loses a high sec carrier to NPCs in a belt based off my previous statement: No, you are not getting it back. :P


Do not underestimate the value of high sec belt rats. I once got a low grade snake omega off one, in a 0.8 system. over 600 million.

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GM Spiral
Game Master Retirement Home
#58 - 2013-10-30 13:51:32 UTC
Nicen Jehr wrote:
GM Spiral wrote:
...To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats, and will also include the new player owned customs offices in high sec that are coming. They are for showing off or hangar decoration only and should not impact upon the game play of any other player in that system in any way (with mining being the only exception)...
can you explicitly state whether OP can shoot Interbus customs offices? (as opposed to player owned customs offices)? if I was in charge, I would let him... but I would also make shooting NOCO grant suspect flag alongside pve :)


"A player may not activate any hostile or assisting module, nor make use of any kind of drone or fighter drone, against any kind of structure (player or NPC owned), ship (player or NPC owned), or other asset (player or NPC owned) in high-security space with a capital ship normally restricted (under normal game mechanics) to 0.4 space or lower. "

Is this clear enough? :)

Whether or not our erstwhile allies in Game Design decide to have it cause some sort of flag within the Crimewatch system or not simply has no bearing on this.

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Angel-agl Katelo
The Fallen Angel Corp
#59 - 2013-10-30 13:53:46 UTC
CCP: you have lost my respect.

I understand not letting a capital shoot people in high sec, I understand not letting capitals be used in high sec wars. But a drone control mod? CCP is crying over a drone control mod?

Its a CARRIER it would be STUPID to not have a drone control mod on a ship that is designed specifically for that!

Congratulations CCP, you just removed another capital from high sec.
GM Spiral
Game Master Retirement Home
#60 - 2013-10-30 14:01:03 UTC
Angel-agl Katelo wrote:
CCP: you have lost my respect.

I understand not letting a capital shoot people in high sec, I understand not letting capitals be used in high sec wars. But a drone control mod? CCP is crying over a drone control mod?

Its a CARRIER it would be STUPID to not have a drone control mod on a ship that is designed specifically for that!

Congratulations CCP, you just removed another capital from high sec.


Please be aware that the ship in question is also explicitly designed not to have access to high security space. For historical reasons capitals ships that were produced in high security space are permitted to remain there, but that also means that we needed to construct some rules about how they could and could not be used there.

I will not comment on the OP's specific case here but we will remain in communication with them through the support ticket system should they wish to continue their correspondence with us.

As we have stated we are fully open to suggestions and ideas on how we should handle these exceptions, or even if we should have these exceptions at all. If you feel strongly about this then please lend your opinion to the discussion.

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