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Rubicon - Is Drone BS / Carrier ratting dead?
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Spankijs Omaristos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-10-30 09:46:02 UTC
So with upcoming changes to warp speed/acceleration who is going to rat in a carrier? :D

Also, any sentry BS boats? Rattlers/Domis/Geddons??

How with these insta warps, one can rat in those battleships? -

I mean sentry drone boats can't really align, and now interceptors can just jump into system and be in random heaven/sanctum in 5 seconds... awesome eh!?


(Im actually excited about this, few days away to get into ceptors ^^)
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-10-30 10:02:46 UTC
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
So with upcoming changes to warp speed/acceleration who is going to rat in a carrier? :D

Also, any sentry BS boats? Rattlers/Domis/Geddons??

How with these insta warps, one can rat in those battleships? -

I mean sentry drone boats can't really align, and now interceptors can just jump into system and be in random heaven/sanctum in 5 seconds... awesome eh!?


(Im actually excited about this, few days away to get into ceptors ^^)


It will be no different than it is now. You see someone come into Local you get safe. Nothing will change.
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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-30 10:04:43 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
yea, interceptor can reach you in a couple of seconds. but then it can't do anything to you. Lock him, neut to death and kill him with warriors while aligning to something. When it's dead (or lost his point for a second) just warp out. You have some time before his mates arrive.

On the other hand ratting solo was always bad idea and led to many killed ratting ships. Have your mates around and ready to defend each other and you are ok

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#4 - 2013-10-30 10:08:36 UTC
Just means solo ratters will need to fit countermeasures to interceptors.

Hell even medium neuts are enough and most ratting ships can fit a heavy easily.

Even if the interceptor guesses first try where you are and warps straight to you you have answers. If they take time to find you, you can get to a safe and don't even need countermeasures.

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-10-30 10:23:38 UTC
Ratting with one carrier is stupidly risky as is.

But those people who are serious about carrier ratting don't rely on not getting caught, they rely on having cynos on each of their carriers and being able to spidertank the damage output of your average blops drop.

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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#6 - 2013-10-30 10:25:59 UTC
It certainly will make warp speed rigs for battleship pilots a lot more attractive.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2013-10-30 10:28:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
It certainly will make warp speed rigs for battleship pilots a lot more attractive.

Not really. The problem is aligning, not warping.

Now MJDs on the other hand…
Setsune Rin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-10-30 10:29:20 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Ratting with one carrier is stupidly risky as is.

But those people who are serious about carrier ratting don't rely on not getting caught, they rely on having cynos on each of their carriers and being able to spidertank the damage output of your average blops drop.


You what now?




typical forum alt, big mouth but no practical knowledge

carrier ratting is just a high efficiency bet that you won't get killed before you make enough isk to make it worth it
they're fit for max damage, never a cyno

just like all other ratting ships
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#9 - 2013-10-30 10:31:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
It certainly will make warp speed rigs for battleship pilots a lot more attractive.

Not really. The problem is aligning, not warping.

Now MJDs on the other hand…


Yes but next time I will think twice if I fit a nano rig or a warp speed rig to my nanogeddon.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-10-30 10:45:05 UTC
How's this

[Stiletto, cyno stiletto]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

1MN Microwarpdrive II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Cynosural Field Generator I
125mm Gatling AutoCannon I, EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon I, EMP S

Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I

Should have enough cargo even after the rebalance at Cyno IV. I have no experience - can the titan bridge some dudes in before the interceptor's killed? Mobile cyno jammer better be good, since inty gets a zillion warp speed and nullification

Null mining's at anoms, now, too, eh
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#11 - 2013-10-30 10:46:36 UTC
Fit a 'Firend' or 'FleetMate' when ratting in nulsec.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-10-30 10:47:59 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Should have enough cargo even after the rebalance at Cyno IV.

CCP said it won't. I haven't checked Singularity tho.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-10-30 10:48:48 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Fit a 'Firend' or 'FleetMate' when ratting in nulsec.


Needing two people to rat means you're making half as much money.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-10-30 10:50:40 UTC
1 question with an obvious answer: you will adapt or die

That's how it works

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-10-30 10:54:48 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Should have enough cargo even after the rebalance at Cyno IV.

CCP said it won't. I haven't checked Singularity tho.

92(rubicon stiletto)*1.275(expander II)*1.275 = 149.6

0.4(lozone)*300 = 120

I checked Fozzie's post and he says it'll be possible but you need a 'gimped fit'.

Oh hey, if you have cyno V you only need one expander:

[Stiletto, New Setup 1]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Expanded Cargohold II

1MN Microwarpdrive II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Cynosural Field Generator I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#16 - 2013-10-30 11:12:27 UTC  |  Edited by: I Love Boobies
Tippia wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
It certainly will make warp speed rigs for battleship pilots a lot more attractive.

Not really. The problem is aligning, not warping.

Now MJDs on the other hand…



MJDs are the best thing added to EVE in years. Makes my sentry Domi much more effective than before.
Spankijs Omaristos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-10-30 11:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Spankijs Omaristos
I Love Boobies wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
It certainly will make warp speed rigs for battleship pilots a lot more attractive.

Not really. The problem is aligning, not warping.

Now MJDs on the other hand…



MJDs are the best thing added to EVE in years. Makes my sentry Domi much more effective than before.


You forgot that its about sentry drone boats, there is no align for that :) (Or you get out of sentry scoop range which is 2500m) So you can't really align while ratting:)


Also, MJD has a long spool time - correct me if Im wrong here, but I believe its longer than actual align time for BS to get into warp :) With MJD skill @ 5 was it 9 seconds to spool it up?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2013-10-30 11:27:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Also, MJD has a long spool time - correct me if Im wrong here, but I believe its longer than actual align time for BS to get into warp :) With MJD skill @ 5 was it 9 seconds to spool it up?

It's not. Pretty much all BS benefit from MWD-cycle warping since that pegs it at a fixed 10 seconds. So a 9 second spool up is shorter than that.

But more to the point, the MJD lets you quickly and trivially reposition yourself so the incoming ship is not guaranteed to land right on top of you, and while he's chasing you down, you're already half-way through a spool-up that will create enough distance to ensure that you get away.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-10-30 11:27:55 UTC
Also you have to see the dude in local before you can start the MJD. With the new interceptors, your time to spot them is measured in seconds. Only the most attentive pilot will be able to consistantly get out in time.

THE MOST ATTENTIVE PILOT IS AUTOMATION SOFTWARE
Andrea Keuvo
Rusty Pricks
#20 - 2013-10-30 11:33:59 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Just means solo ratters will need to fit countermeasures to interceptors.

Hell even medium neuts are enough and most ratting ships can fit a heavy easily.

Even if the interceptor guesses first try where you are and warps straight to you you have answers. If they take time to find you, you can get to a safe and don't even need countermeasures.



An interceptor pilot worth a sh*t will never be in range of a large neut much less a medium one. Also, warriors cannot fly as fast as an interceptor moving at max speed under mwd and therefore wont do anything to them.

The ceptor having to guess where you are might be a problem for them in a -1.0 system but in a -.4 or lower where there are only 2 f-hubs and a haven one dscan probably gives them better than a 50% chance of finding you.

There are countermeasures and yes carrier ratting is still possible, but I haven't seen anything effective listed here yet. This change is just classic fozzie at work.

Also, good job on adding new implants that boost the warp speeds of ships even more. Maybe it would have been a good idea to let the new warp mechanics hit TQ and see how/if they break the game before allowng people another method of warping EVEN FASTER?

Typical of CCP though, they will make something OP as hell and then just about the time everyone has trained into it the nerf hammer will fall.
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