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Rubicon Is A Horrible Expansion

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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-10-30 07:11:51 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:

i don't think anybody realistically thinks anything can dislodge the largest entities rusted into their blue donut, but tiny groups, even solo pilots will be able to mess with much larger organisations.
Tumultuous radical change is attractive to people without ideas, being able to pick a few holes in nullsec by interrupting stuff is a great idea. The fact that any idea can be abused and always benefits the already rich is incidental and not worth posting about.



What can be done to make the smaller corps have a chance at larger entities? This would require a restructure of eve entirely to favor both sides because anything in this game that benefits the small corps/alliances benefits the larger ones even more, only thing I've seen (consistently.. just a bit) is wormhole pvp if/when it happens where some small formations, because of the choke points and lack of intel have taken out way larger fleets.

But yes I agree with your post.


Mara Tessidar wrote:
Yeah okay I see why you don't understand now


So disrupting low operations raises prices more than disrupting larger, more profitable operations? Even if this **** won't happen Smile You're most likely right about what will happen I just have high (false) hopes for guerrilla warfare nevertheless i'll be trying the siphon on the first day maybe CCP has some bug fixed in and it will zap a moon in 3 secs..
Hendelse
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-10-30 07:21:59 UTC
haha, this was pretty fun.

Still, I am looking forward to flying those ninja interceptors.

Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-10-30 07:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Tessidar
Anomaly One wrote:

So disrupting low operations raises prices more than disrupting larger, more profitable operations?


I think you should leave the question of "what's going to happen to moon mineral prices if the supply is disrupted by x amount" to the people who understand how moon minerals actually work. People like Mynnna and Aryth, for example.
My Little Pyongyang
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-10-30 07:27:39 UTC
Outside of WiS lolcarna I've never seen such a negative response from the established entities in eve. Goons crying about siphons, PL crying about warp mechanics, this expansion is going to be grand.
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-10-30 07:33:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Fey Ivory
Mara Tessidar wrote:
Anomaly One wrote:
Goons keep trying to say that this hurts them less than other small corps/alliances, I don't see how since the larger alliances are the biggest target for this they're the ones with moon goo and mining ops.. now that everyone can drop a siphon it's become a threat to.. well everyone.


It's been explained to you at least a dozen times that Goonswarm Federation and other very large entities have the manpower and the timezone coverage to both deploy siphons on enemy moons and monitor their own moons effectively for siphon activity, while smaller groups do not.

Please explain which part you don't understand yet.


Yes, thats true in regards to people with assets and that can have assets, but this opens up the possibility for every one, to grab a few scrap buckets load them with siphons, and head out to steal, dosent matter if you get sploded, those that manage to steal some has only to win, and little to loose

Example, take ship, fit with stabs, cloaks tank, no weapons, and siphons, many siphons... deploy siphons, siphon, siphon, siphon, soneone shows up, pickup siphon, cloak... wait, rince repeate... ewen better, if you have say many other to coordinate with in other places
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-10-30 07:35:06 UTC
Actually, large alliances that get stolen from have their moongoo become more valuable by the fact that less moongoo can reach the market.

Surely no one would take advantage of that, though. Surely.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#27 - 2013-10-30 07:35:36 UTC
I am not looking forward to having to pay a billion ISK to CONCORD just to get Goons off my lawn, especially when they can just pay CONCORD 50M ISK to clear me off their turf.

CCP Soundwave and his crazy "you are paying for more targets" idea.

This expansion is going to be less pleasant than an anaesthetic-free colonoscopy.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#28 - 2013-10-30 07:36:59 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
Actually, large alliances that get stolen from have their moongoo become more valuable by the fact that less moongoo can reach the market.

Surely no one would take advantage of that, though. Surely.


Certainly makes it more attractive to siphon the more valuable and less abundant moon goo.
Prince Kobol
#29 - 2013-10-30 07:41:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Mara Tessidar wrote:
Anomaly One wrote:
Goons keep trying to say that this hurts them less than other small corps/alliances, I don't see how since the larger alliances are the biggest target for this they're the ones with moon goo and mining ops.. now that everyone can drop a siphon it's become a threat to.. well everyone.


It's been explained to you at least a dozen times that Goonswarm Federation and other very large entities have the manpower and the timezone coverage to both deploy siphons on enemy moons and monitor their own moons effectively for siphon activity, while smaller groups do not.

Please explain which part you don't understand yet.


This all day long.

Seriously what do you think is going to happen..

You think players in there thousands are going to swarm to CFC pos's and place siphons.. not a chance.

What is will mostly likely happen is maybe for the first few weeks some people are going to place siphons on CFC Towers which will be destroyed in a very short time and then it will be business as usual.

The same can be said for any null sec alliance which has a decent TZ coverage.

Its those towers in Low sec which are going to be hit the hardest.

I can see many of those towers being pulled as it simply wont be worth it.

What I expect to happen is the CFC who have both the manpower and isk to bath Eve with Siphons on every tower they can find to prove a point on how crappy they actually are.

The siphon will not hurt any of the big null sec alliances, what it will do is hurt those small corps who have towers in low sec where the profit is actually very small.

Sometime you need to see past the grrr goons and actually look at the bigger picture which will be any null sec alliance with a decent TZ coverage making more isk as towers which are in low sec get pulled down due to there not being any point running them, hence less moon minerals hitting the market and the price increasing.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#30 - 2013-10-30 07:43:50 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Have fun siphoning all the moons in eve. Roll

There are what, thousands of null and lowsec systems with dozens of planets, most with multiple moons. There's a reason dyspro, neo, and prom are expensive, and the other dozen and a half are dirt cheap by comparison. You start siphoning cobalt, no one will give a rats ass because unoccupied cobalt moons are a dime a dozen. Have fun siphoning them all. Also, it will take days for your siphons just to break even. And you'll have to visit each and every single one every single day and replace them every so often. Not even Goons hate themselves that much, although please feel free to prove me wrong.

No one is going to do that, certainly not for cobalt moons and the like.

On the other hand, you make bank siphoning dyspro, neo, and prom in a a matter of hours.

Geee, I wonder which entities fought a war in a region with truckloads of dyspro moons recently, and which entity keeps shiptoasting in every single siphon thread. :tinfoil:
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#31 - 2013-10-30 07:51:58 UTC
My Little Pyongyang wrote:
Outside of WiS lolcarna I've never seen such a negative response from the established entities in eve. Goons crying about siphons, PL crying about warp mechanics, this expansion is going to be grand.

QFT. Cool
Mara Rinn wrote:


Certainly makes it more attractive to siphon the more valuable and less abundant moon goo.

Hell, the goons can siphon every other moon in the game as long as I can siphon me their dyspro, prom, and neo. Twisted
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#32 - 2013-10-30 07:54:43 UTC
Posting in a stealth pissed that the new marauder changes **** with our null mission bots thread.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#33 - 2013-10-30 07:57:25 UTC
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-10-30 07:58:15 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Have fun siphoning all the moons in eve. Roll

There are what, thousands of null and lowsec systems with dozens of planets, most with multiple moons. There's a reason dyspro, neo, and prom are expensive, and the other dozen and a half are dirt cheap by comparison. You start siphoning cobalt, no one will give a rats ass because unoccupied cobalt moons are a dime a dozen. Have fun siphoning them all. Also, it will take days for your siphons just to break even. And you'll have to visit each and every single one every single day and replace them every so often. Not even Goons hate themselves that much, although please feel free to prove me wrong.

No one is going to do that, certainly not for cobalt moons and the like.

On the other hand, you make bank siphoning dyspro, neo, and prom in a a matter of hours.

Geee, I wonder which entities fought a war in a region with truckloads of dyspro moons recently, and which entity keeps shiptoasting in every single siphon thread. :tinfoil:


Certainly no one has accurate maps of every moon in Eve after the latest changes. Certainly not. That would be ridiculous.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#35 - 2013-10-30 08:00:41 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:


Certainly no one has accurate maps of every moon in Eve after the latest changes. Certainly not. That would be ridiculous.

Goons: "We'll steal all your dirt!"
Everyone Else: "K mate, we'll just help ourselves to some of your gold."

Like I said, you can siphon all of the other moons in the game, as long as I can siphon your dispro, neo, and prom. Twisted
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-10-30 08:01:45 UTC
Hold on. Let me check my Box of Care. Oh damn. Yeah it looks like it is empty. Sorry about that. Ugh
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-10-30 08:04:38 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Hold on. Let me check my Box of Care. Oh damn. Yeah it looks like it is empty. Sorry about that. Ugh


oh good I was wondering when the resident nullsec special needs advisor would show up to post

Please, tell us some more about how siphons will work how CCP envisions them.
Prince Kobol
#38 - 2013-10-30 08:05:28 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Mara Tessidar wrote:


Certainly no one has accurate maps of every moon in Eve after the latest changes. Certainly not. That would be ridiculous.

Goons: "We'll steal all your dirt!"
Everyone Else: "K mate, we'll just help ourselves to some of your gold."

Like I said, you can siphon all of the other moons in the game, as long as I can siphon your dispro, neo, and prom. Twisted


Which will not happen, I mean you can say it over and over again but fact is you wont.


PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#39 - 2013-10-30 08:09:17 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:


Which will not happen, I mean you can say it over and over again but fact is you wont.



You're wrong, as usual. Big smile
Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-10-30 08:09:26 UTC
Im liking the idea of......

FC "ok guys we have 300 tengus and multiple support ships on this gate"

FC "ok incoming blob, drop bubbles"

FC "Right they are jumping.... fire at will!!!"

FC "oh **** where they go"

SC "Sorry FC they came through us and now there 3 jumps away all in interceptors" Big smile



I think theres going to be lots and lots of angry FC's. Nom Nom

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.