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Has SomerBLINK ever submitted its code for review?

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Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
The Lost Drone Society
#21 - 2013-10-29 22:53:15 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Somer has as much right to scam stupid players as any of the other thousands of people jealous of his success.

Mr Epeen Cool


The real life connotation- as in real life dollars from being an ETC affiliate is what people are having a problem with sir..

Are you saying Somer has the right to be a scammer IRL as well?


If you take it that way, could you call call the FBI over a Jita scammer if you lost a RL bought plex worth of isk? I'm sure most of the Scams run are illegal in the real world.

I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#22 - 2013-10-29 22:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lors Dornick
Embarased for You wrote:
ITT - people who don't understand cloud computing, and think the node they ping from their location is where a business is located.

User name relevant.

And this is relevant how?

Given how it could have been to track down the people involved.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#23 - 2013-10-29 23:08:05 UTC
Seriously, there are people who really believe that there are honest gambling companies?

What kind of rock have you been living under for the last 300 years?

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#24 - 2013-10-29 23:12:28 UTC
Mens Barviainen wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:

Also probability...


Except that I saw a guy win two 1/300 promo.blinks in the AU TZ in a row, a 1/90000 occurrence, and then he won a 1/500 promo.blink for 3x hulks about twelve hours later.

Promo.blinks seem awfully streaky.

Improbable is not the same as impossible. This things simply happen and you can't deduce if a system with ~400 tickets is rigged or not simply by watching a few hundred draws.
Rhatar Khurin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-10-29 23:14:38 UTC
Panama eh?

Sorry i have nothing.. .

they make hats or something?.....
Mens Barviainen
Arataka Research Consortium Holdings
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2013-10-29 23:14:59 UTC
Which is why I ask, Karak; because it seemed like an odd series of coincidences, and knowing if SomerBLINK had allowed any independent audits...
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#27 - 2013-10-29 23:17:52 UTC
Embarased for You wrote:
ITT - people who don't understand cloud computing, and think the node they ping from their location is where a business is located.

User name relevant.

I hear there are even people who don't know the difference between ping and whois
Frying Doom
#28 - 2013-10-29 23:30:19 UTC
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I think the best answer is that http://cogdev.net Somers site is registered in Panama, a place with such wonderfully strict laws and high standardsl


Ah but the owner and operator (Somerset Mahm) is an American living and working in America. I wonder if they declared that 130k or if its housed in some offshore account. The whole thing is creepy and seedy and it stinks that CCP got sucked into it.

Get this crap outta my fake internet spaceship universe

I have to admit, that part does look pretty shady and is interesting if true. I personally would do the same thing though. I'd let the Panamanians have it before I'd give a dime to Barry Soetoro. The location of their servers doesn't necessarily imply wrong-doing, although when taken with all the other stuff recently disclosed, it does add up for bad publicity for Somer. It would be helpful if they would give us a public statement concerning these matters.

The who is data on COGDEV.NET

Domain Name: COGDEV.NET
Creation Date: 2010-09-21 20:09:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2017-09-21 20:09:00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM
Registrant Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED
Registrant Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC.
Registrant Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411
Registrant City: PANAMA
Registrant State/Province: PANAMA
Registrant Postal Code: NA
Registrant Country: PA
Admin Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED
Admin Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC.
Admin Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411
Admin City: PANAMA
Admin State/Province: PANAMA
Admin Postal Code: NA
Admin Country: PA
Admin Phone: +507.8365503
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: +51.17057182
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: Email Masking [email protected]
Tech Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED
Tech Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC.
Tech Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411
Tech City: PANAMA
Tech State/Province: PANAMA
Tech Postal Code: NA
Tech Country: PA
Tech Phone: +507.8365503
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax: +51.17057182
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: Email Masking [email protected]
Name Server: ART.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
Name Server: LILY.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM

Also note Cloud Flare
Cloud Flare wrote:
CloudFlare protects and accelerates any website online. Once your website is a part of the CloudFlare community, its web traffic is routed through our intelligent global network. We automatically optimize the delivery of your web pages so your visitors get the fastest page load times and best performance. We also block threats and limit abusive bots and crawlers from wasting your bandwidth and server resources. The result: CloudFlare-powered websites see a significant improvement in performance and a decrease in spam and other attacks.

It also prevents people determining your servers location via a who is look up.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#29 - 2013-10-29 23:30:23 UTC
Mens Barviainen wrote:
Which is why I ask, Karak; because it seemed like an odd series of coincidences.

Well, that's what gambling is isn't it? People get confused by this things all the time, that's why we have to use math to find out if something is rigged or not. I mean people even get confused about randomizers im mp3 players because all it takes are a few tracks that repeat in a short amount of time and they think it's not random. They had to change the implementation and are now no longer true random, because people complained.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#30 - 2013-10-29 23:38:28 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I think the best answer is that http://cogdev.net Somers site is registered in Panama, a place with such wonderfully strict laws and high standardsl


Ah but the owner and operator (Somerset Mahm) is an American living and working in America. I wonder if they declared that 130k or if its housed in some offshore account. The whole thing is creepy and seedy and it stinks that CCP got sucked into it.

Get this crap outta my fake internet spaceship universe

I have to admit, that part does look pretty shady and is interesting if true. I personally would do the same thing though. I'd let the Panamanians have it before I'd give a dime to Barry Soetoro. The location of their servers doesn't necessarily imply wrong-doing, although when taken with all the other stuff recently disclosed, it does add up for bad publicity for Somer. It would be helpful if they would give us a public statement concerning these matters.

The who is data on COGDEV.NET

Domain Name: COGDEV.NET
Creation Date: 2010-09-21 20:09:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2017-09-21 20:09:00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM
Registrant Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED
Registrant Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC.
Registrant Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411
Registrant City: PANAMA
Registrant State/Province: PANAMA
Registrant Postal Code: NA
Registrant Country: PA
Admin Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED
Admin Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC.
Admin Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411
Admin City: PANAMA
Admin State/Province: PANAMA
Admin Postal Code: NA
Admin Country: PA
Admin Phone: +507.8365503
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: +51.17057182
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: Email Masking [email protected]
Tech Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED
Tech Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC.
Tech Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411
Tech City: PANAMA
Tech State/Province: PANAMA
Tech Postal Code: NA
Tech Country: PA
Tech Phone: +507.8365503
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax: +51.17057182
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: Email Masking [email protected]
Name Server: ART.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
Name Server: LILY.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM

Also note Cloud Flare
Cloud Flare wrote:
CloudFlare protects and accelerates any website online. Once your website is a part of the CloudFlare community, its web traffic is routed through our intelligent global network. We automatically optimize the delivery of your web pages so your visitors get the fastest page load times and best performance. We also block threats and limit abusive bots and crawlers from wasting your bandwidth and server resources. The result: CloudFlare-powered websites see a significant improvement in performance and a decrease in spam and other attacks.

It also prevents people determining your servers location via a who is look up.

Not bad. They've thought it through thoroughly.

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#31 - 2013-10-29 23:45:23 UTC
Of course they haven't submitted code and here's why:

2006 Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA)

It's just strait up banned in some countries and gets you blocked.

Cuddle Monster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-10-29 23:54:44 UTC
So because they have a working and legal up until today business model they are scammers? Don't give me BS about how they got special treatment as they haven't. Reid was able to use the same system to make over $600 for herself. Just because a mechanic is in place and is used in a way that CCP deems acceptable doesn't mean they are doing wrong. Reid drove home the flaw in their policy and opened the floodgates so they shut it down.

blink has spent a lot of time, energy, and money in their service. When you are good at what you do especially when the premise of your success is so simple you will always have haters that are jealous.

Panama thing is a layer of protection a person and service like SOMER needs! This game brings crazies out of the woodwork! CloudFlare is a CDN. For those less informed, it caches web assets on servers that are geographically close to your area of the world to make website requests extraordinarily fast. Those of you who actually use SOMER's service know that this is a necessity for their operation to make it as fluid and fast as the site is.

This community really needs more drama already, this story is beyond tired.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-10-29 23:54:57 UTC
Mens Barviainen wrote:
Not posting with my main because reasons. Blink
The question is: has SomerBLINK ever had its systems reviewed by a reputable source?


Hah! Gamblers, the ultimate suckers.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#34 - 2013-10-30 00:03:24 UTC
Cuddle Monster wrote:
blink has spent a lot of time, energy, and money in their service. When you are good at what you do especially when the premise of your success is so simple you will always have haters that are jealous


The big problem came when CCP started 'giving' them things re: creating assets out of thin air, ingame to raffle and lotto and promote the site, thus promoting clickthroughs and real life profits.

This was the worst thing they could do given that Somer himself seems to be pretty tight with CCP to begin with judging by his twitter. It looks like cronie ism
Cuddle Monster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-10-30 00:12:23 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Cuddle Monster wrote:
blink has spent a lot of time, energy, and money in their service. When you are good at what you do especially when the premise of your success is so simple you will always have haters that are jealous


The big problem came when CCP started 'giving' them things re: creating assets out of thin air, ingame to raffle and lotto and promote the site, thus promoting clickthroughs and real life profits.

This was the worst thing they could do given that Somer himself seems to be pretty tight with CCP to begin with judging by his twitter. It looks like cronie ism


While I see what you are saying and can understand it, I would argue that from CCP's perspective blink makes perfect sense to distribute these goods. They are one of the most trafficked sites of the EVE third parties. Their business is raffling off goods to users, and have an excellent track record with paying up on their promises. That all said there are other raffle sites but none that have the traction of blink. So giving them the EVE Vegas trip, CE boxes, etc just makes logical sense in my mind.

The employee rewards OK I can kind of see something here but as CCP cleared up those watch scorps were never marketed as set run items and from what I understand have been given to other entities as rewards for helping CCP with events etc in the past as well.

Maybe I am just weird but I don't feel wronged by either CCP or SOMER and still support both.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#36 - 2013-10-30 00:18:08 UTC

Why would Somer cheat?


They make their isk by you gambling there.
And unlike a casino, where you play against the house, and has a motive for rigging outcomes, Blink operates as a lotto, where the prize pool is completely covered by the lotto entrants, and they just take a cut off the top.

They are a huge success, pulling 10% off the top of every blink. Every future blink just makes them wealthier, so they don't need to rig lottery's to make oodles of isk, nor would it be in their interests.

And as for "submitting code for review". To be honest, the threat you should worry about is someone hacking the blink site and screwing with it. Submitting code "for review" is far more apt to result in a hack risk, and not worth the risk.

Finally, Random number generators are Random. Next you'll be bitching that your last 100 invention jobs only gave you 10 successes when it should statistically be 40, or some such bullshit. This really is a lotto, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Deal with it, or don't blink. (p.s. in the long run, lottos are a tax on the mathematically inept).
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#37 - 2013-10-30 00:27:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Leigh Akiga
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Why would Somer cheat?


They make their isk by you gambling there


Again- this is not about isk. No one has any problem with Somer making isk ingame. This is about real life money.

Isk is disposable and useless to Somer and his friends, they give it away like candy to take your eye away from the real deal which is the affiliate percentage they receive from GTC. The trillions and quadrillions of isk is a smokescreen.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#38 - 2013-10-30 01:04:36 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Why would Somer cheat?


They make their isk by you gambling there


Again- this is not about isk. No one has any problem with Somer making isk ingame. This is about real life money.

Isk is disposable and useless to Somer and his friends, they give it away like candy to take your eye away from the real deal which is the affiliate percentage they receive from GTC. The trillions and quadrillions of isk is a smokescreen.


Until someone identifies that the margin given to somers reseller is different from the margin given to any other reseller, I'm going to have to stand on a giant pile meh, surrounded by other piles of meh, physically located on a mountain of meh, in a shitstorm of meh, with a weather forecast of meh weather for the next 6 months, on a world made from meh, and say meh.

ie we are literally debating whether google, another well known non-tax-paying entity with its corporate headquarters in a tax haven should get the advertising slice or whether somer should.

and yes, somer's game is rigged. [email protected] they do it here with real money with the TAB despite it having a 14% house margin, how stupid can you get. oh look horses!



Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-10-30 01:09:05 UTC
Looks like the entire hot mess is coming to an end within the next ten days.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#40 - 2013-10-30 01:18:17 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:


Why would Somer cheat?



I can think of a 135,000 reasons.