Skill Discussions

If you and your friends can't handle the learning curve then leave. The current system is fine how it is.

Some goals are far and hard, you need to think about the fun you can have on the way.

Cheap frigates and factionwarfare.

Unlike WOW, EVE does not start with endgame, it starts from day 1.

Best thing CCP could do would be to sort market by skills, by default. so newbies stop drooling over commandships, Supers and Titans and start making skillplans that will last years

sorry but just curious how can you run level 4s with cruisers or destroyers or frigates. i havent done any L4s but i am really wondering how can you run them with frigate level 3 destroyer level 3 or cruiser level 3? Maybe it is time i should give it a try for L4s. There are obviously older players who can understand better but i cant imagine you are doing L4s.

I only read the first page becasue....well I thats all I felt like reading...but this is true. I only have 3.5 million SP's and I am far from being usless. I can tackle.....I can run a rep boat and keep my peoples alive. I can fly a T1 battlecruiser jsut as good as anyone else. (well almost....I still need my armor up to level 5) and you know what keeps me here in the game? In a year I should be able to fly bombers, interdictors, or battleships (probably sooner than that) or maybe I will go T2 BC's orr who knows what. I am still planning, but far from being usless.

There's so much truth in that sentence that it bears quoting. +1

Great turn out for yesterday's mass test, I wonder why.

Whine Whine Whine.

My main started in 2009 and had a hard time then quit in March 2011. Now I'm back with 20.4 million skill points. The key to having success as a new player is to stick within your means and SP.
By the way I now fly a CNR with a mix of faction fit and T2 and I make about 150 million isk a day playing casually.

It isn't the SP that is game breaking for newbies.
I feel like ppl can be elite all they want but there is the learning cliff everyone knows about.
You can beat on your chest about EvE being so hardcore we are all well endowed.
But the fact remains that people that try EvE have to be impressed by the surroundings and the always present danger and relaxing space mixture, vs the sheer complexity of it all.
We can all act hardcore but most of us were guided by other players to understand EvE, it should be done by a serious tutorial.
Even the current is still presented in somewhat of a vacuum, doesn't take into consideration unrealistic expectancies.
Like people figuring if a hull has no bonuses besides drones they can just fit lasers, there are so many things out there that can shatter someone's expectancy pattern and leave them feeling stranded on an island.

Maybe a way to filter all say: Capacitor related skills, all insert category of your wish.
Or update the certificates to actually offer some meaning in this.
I find myself telling people that played for months about capacitor importance when they fly Amarr.
Stress the importance of such things, as well as things super important but completely left out.
Like the 1 second server ticks and how they affect drone dps when giving attack commands.
The most important things can be overlooked so easily and for a fresh toon this can be devastating.

P.S. Module icon changes would really help too, the different symbols are so small its like a scribble.
And there is little uniformity or reference to them.
They are changing some names now though which helps, like not calling a certain type of AC "confetti launcher" but "insert type" AC.

What you are asking for is dumbing down of the game. We do not want anything like this to happen.

I think it is probably good for new pilots to specialize their skills at the start. At the moment I would suggest looking at PI (Planetary Interaction) rather than any thoughts of mining. Prices for PI are very good atm compared to most mineral prices which are down the toilet.

Combine this with training of ships in a race of your choice for combat/missions/ganking and away you go. Have fun.

I forgot to mention corporations. You should definitely join a player run corporation. EVE University has a good reputation from where you can learn the basics. There is that other one as well that I can't remember the name of - the one where hordes of new players in frigates go off doing PvP. Sounds like fun to me.

I would also suggest it is not a good idea for new players to go off and start a corporation themselves straight away. This can go wrong in so many ways and be a lot of hassle.

This is the best advice anyone can give. Eve is not a solo game and can't be played without the support of others. You can try to minimize this support but you're only hurting yourself.

As for the guy with no friends... If your RL friends quit Eve for one reason or another find a corp that has your interests and make in game friends. The guy that got me into Eve has the attention span of a five year old when it comes to games. He'll play a game, quit after a few weeks then find a new game. I didn't let this cause me to fail at Eve. This game isn't for everyone so if you don't like the basic concepts of the game find a game you do like. Eve will grow and change but concepts like SP and the "wild west" rules probably will always be the same.