Player Features and Ideas Discussion

More than eight bombs going off at once blow eachother up. Please learn how bombs work before you propose sweeping changes to them.

sounds pretty relevant to me. Try being more social and less of a passive aggressive demagogue

Please keep posting OP. This thread is the most hilarious thing I have seen all day.

Every bomb has an already built in 99.5% resistance to it's own damage type. Next time you're in-game please review the bomb stats to help educate yourself.

You do realize the bomber already fulfills these roles?
They don't need a boon to bomb mechanics to accomplish this. Your suggestions just make it "easier", but that isn't an improvement.

One of the biggest dilemma's in "fixing blob warfare" is that generally speaking, any advantage you give to an individual ship will also be enjoyed by 50 of those ships. Making bombs more destructive and easier to spam means 50 bombers can suddenly become insanely powerful.

Using current numbers, 8 bombers can drop a waves of bombs delivering 60-64k damage. Properly positioned, 4 bomber groups can simultaneously deliver all 4 waves to a target, but it requires a lot of work. Most organized groups can manage 2 simultaneous waves, which is still 120k damage (enough to instapop BS groups). Do we really NEED bombers to be more potant than this, because I really don't think we do.


I'd support an EHP increase, or a PG increase long before I'd support making their bomb damage more potent. Fitting torps and/or tank means your sticking around on grid and shooting stuff, which means you are at risk of dying while engaging.



RL explosion mechanics are pretty complicated, but size (or more precisely, inertia) of a target has a MAJOR influence on how much damage it takes from an explosion.

In EvE, bombing non-MWD frigates is not entirely useless with a bomber. One bomb is enough to kill fragile and/or MWD frigates, and 3 bombs will kill most frigates. This makes killing targets a little more challenging, but is not something terribly difficult to do. Your suggestion, and I'd just sit on a gate spamming d-scan when I know a frig gang is coming through. When at the appropriate range, I decloak, bomb, bomb, bomb and the entire frigate gang will all die as they exit warp before they can even regain control of their ship. Give me a squad of 8 bombers, and I'll take out gangs of cruisers and BC's in a manner they can't stop. You can currently do something close, but getting the timing down is fairly difficult. Having the ability to spam bombs would be insane!



First off, bombers are used in lowsec and highsec. They make excellent structure bashing ships, are the preferred FW mission running ship, and are excellent at engaging large targets.

Next, Bomb changes are irrelevant to lowsec and highsec, as you can't use bombs there. So your proposal doesn't change the bombers role in lowsec or highsec.

Finally, bombers are high dps, very mobile, and effective at the roles they do. Why should bombers to be good at killing frigates and destroyers to boot?

Try not making personal attacks. It's not very social. Oh did I mention it's against the forum rules?

Everyone is hammering this man! He is backing up his ideas by responding to relentless criticism from all sides. Regardless of his idea's validity, he gets my respect merely for that. "Not relevant" was the perfect response to an investigative comment that had the potential to slow down the thread.

Why should a bomber be able to "take out frigates and destroyers under non-mwd conditions with a single bomb?

First off, it is a COVERT ship. Whenever CCP gives a ship the ability to fit a covert cloak, that ship is weaker in combat than other ships of its class. This is a very powerful tool, which allows the covert ship to pick and chose engagements at will, while very effectively avoiding unwanted engagements.

Next, show me another frigate in the game that does 500+ dps. My torp bomber does 650+ dps out to 50 km's. Few ships match that dps out to such a range, and you get it in a frigate package. Yes, this dps is limited to large targets, but so what. A raven has trouble dealing with frigates too, and can die to a solo Rifter! I've solo killed many BS's and BC's with frigates and cruisers because Large Weapons have a weakness, where they don't apply damage to small ships very well. Bombers are in a unique position of dealing massive dps for a frigate, but only to large targets.

p.s. you can solo frigates in a bomber... you just have to be smart about it. Fit rocket launchers, ab, scram, a web or two, blap them at 8 km's. It won't kill all frigates, but it'll kill many. (I do this with my Helios).

In short, I don't believe a single bomb should kill so easily.... and I don't understand why you think it should!

The rubicon warp changes will clearly allow bombing fleets to move around and position faster. In fact with the rubicon warp changes bombers using the align/decloak/launch/warp to bookmark method will become even more untouchable, and nigh uncatchable.

The AoE damage for bombs was determined at a time in the game where EHP of ships was overall a bit lower (ship and module stat changes, and player innovation have increased EHP). While these changes to ship EHP increase and modules get better, more bombers will be required to fulfill their current 'job roles' -- as varied as those roles might be.

Have you ever considered the possibility that this is by design? That Stealth Bombers are not supposed to be especially effective against other frigates... you know... as a trade-off for being more effective against larger ships? That perhaps Assault Frigates were given their MWD sig reduction bonus to be more effective against bomber gangs as well as larger ships?


And yet Stealth Bombers seem to be nuking fleets just fine. Just ask anyone in Bombers Bar.


Again... have you considered that is the trade-off for being able to sling that much DPS at that long of range? No ship can do everything effectively... nor should they.


Who says you have to fit your ships precisely according to what bonuses they have? Just because a Myrmidon has a bonus towards active reps, it doesn't mean you can't fit it for armor buffer... or even shields for that matter. I've even heard of Tornados being fit with small guns, several webs, and a single 1400 to kill overconfident frigates.