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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-10-25 17:59:24 UTC
I'm confused. It seems to me this just becomes a way for most wormholers to get sites into their home system where they can run them safer than in their static.

Or is this yet another item designed to not really help wormhole space, but rather just help C5+ wormhole space?
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#22 - 2013-10-25 18:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I'm confused. It seems to me this just becomes a way for most wormholers to get sites into their home system where they can run them safer than in their static.

Or is this yet another item designed to not really help wormhole space, but rather just help C5+ wormhole space?


How I understood it, one possible process that could take place around such a hypothetical structure might be for example:

*Anchor hilariously expensive structure on a wormhole, wait for it to fill up your hole, while being warpable like a cyno and expensive like a cap, see if someone else wants to shoot it for the potential loot( or just let it create a killmail like a POS) and defend it, build up a trap around it, all while hoping that this thing will finish it's multi-hour cycle to draw anoms into your home. As an example, ehp could be in a region where a sieged dread would need several volleys to pop it.*

Thus, a risk of it not finishing its long cycle and being destroyed beforehand could result in a very expensive loss. And when you attack it - you'll most likely be getting a response, if you bait correctly.

The top ** section is just some random thoughts on how I would imagine such a thing behave, the bottom is what appears to be the OP's actual intention - people shooting each other next to some 'beacon'.
7enn
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-10-25 18:57:03 UTC
This is just dumb and will end up being abused. It's a more gets more proposition. I can see it now. Bane will have his static, a C5 and c3 incoming and an open null to boot. He'll have 4 of these suckers going full tilt with his mega blob fleet just daring anyone to come and bother him while in the background his mega bear fleet plucks the loot from the sky. He'll have nags running C3's with carrier support. It would be easier if CCP just handed the largest 15 wh alliances a daily bucket of isk just for being the largest wh alliances.

You guys promply reject any mention of moon goo in wh space (which you should) and then you turn around and dream about making this work???

Blobs are bad, so let's implement a module that gives blobs a reason to be???

Yeah, this is just totally dumb. Please mock everyone who supports this idea.
Poloturion
Genco Pura Olive Oil Company.
#24 - 2013-10-25 19:08:36 UTC
It's ideas like this one that make me avoid going to the Features and Ideas sub-forum.

Small groups won't care about someone larger stealing from them since they can just take some sites later from an unoccupied static.
It will remove the need to farm the static, reducing the ability to find pvp outside someone's own system.
It gives you yet another timer to sit and stare at while doing nothing.

Doesn't quite match the idiocy of a wormhole stabilizer, but still closer than I like to see.

Also, please fix POS.

7enn
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-10-25 23:13:08 UTC
It's dumb. STOP IT!

You're distracting our CSMs into thinking about this instead of fixing what we've been asking to be repaired for years. I think they are getting caught up in the..... whatever it is that made twostep into a mellon head. Anyway, for the sake of all that is good and wholesome, stop messing with our representation. It's making them batty in the belfry.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-10-25 23:28:53 UTC
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-10-25 23:30:15 UTC
So you wanna give a buff to bears? Hmmmm
Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#28 - 2013-10-25 23:50:26 UTC
part of the problem.

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Winthorp
#29 - 2013-10-26 00:10:38 UTC
Sigh, and i thought QT's thread would be worst i would have to read this week.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-10-26 01:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Now ive heard some dumb crap suggested for WHs in my time....
But this? lol... i got nothing...

What WH space needs is DEFINITELY a way to be able to PVE more Roll

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Britney Nolen
Sama Guild
#31 - 2013-10-26 09:21:01 UTC
I think bringing wow style arenas would be better than this. The amount of abuse would know no limits.
Bleedingthrough
#32 - 2013-10-26 09:23:01 UTC
Bob would not approve more safe ratting in your home systems!

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-10-26 10:41:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
I think some of you are being too harsh and close minded. A couple people what already made suggestions that would balance the feature better.

Granted, if people in low class wormholes no longer needed to run sites in their static, that would be bad.
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#34 - 2013-10-26 18:59:25 UTC
Ya Huei wrote:
Since everyone in C5/C6 would have one of these, I really don't see how this would drive conflict at all..

The bears you are looking to pull into a fight won't care, will orbit pos at 10.

Once you're done pulling in all their sites u mock them in local, and cycle your wh in frustration.

Bears open up their static. anchor their own module there and send u screenshots of their system filled with new anomalies.



At which point the fleet that was logged off in their wormhole comes online and slaughters their plexing fleet.

Pirate
VANILLALIV 3
FRAPPE NATION
#35 - 2013-10-27 09:39:00 UTC
Insted for that modul (to take sites for other WH) why CCP dont make a modul for motion detector ?
you can make it anchord in the entrance and it will notify u in Directional scanner for a movment!Big smile
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#36 - 2013-10-29 11:51:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Terrorfrodo
Being currently inactive except occasional farming of a c4 I can say that this feature would multiply my almost completey safe income, if I wanted it (which I don't, even running my few home sites is almost too much effort and boredom for me).

Live in a c4, have c4 static, open static, which will usually be uninhabited and/or inactive. Siphon sites over into home system, log off. Run sites next day when there is no open hole, which is the natural state of a c4 90% of the time.

The advantage over running sites in the static is enormous. At least a 100% gain in safety (only one system instead of two or more that could get a new connection, and it is guaranteed to be the one you can monitor for new sigs). Shorter times for warping, no mass considerations. Can warp straight to POS, no risk of getting ambushed at hole to home. Especially saves time if you don't have a dedicated Noctis alt. Ability to drop off loot after every site, minimizing loss in the (nearly impossible) event that you lose the Noctis.

And last but not least: You can live in a system with a favorable anomaly and could pull sites into it from systems with no or a bad anomaly. Think about living in a Magnetar and connecting to a Black Hole.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-10-29 12:30:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Terrorfrodo wrote:

Live in a c4, have c4 static, open static, which will usually be uninhabited and/or inactive. Siphon sites over into home system, log off. Run sites next day when there is no open hole, which is the natural state of a c4 90% of the time.


After you logged off, chances are that someone rolled into you and siphoned all your sites. Your choices would be to run sites in your static (as you can now) or siphon sites into your system at a rate of between one every 15 minutes to 1 hour. Either way you are active in space with the risk of being attacked.

If the beacon/siphon was popular in wormhole space, i don't think people would stop running sites in their static at all.
BobFenner
Black Hole Runners
#38 - 2013-10-29 12:36:03 UTC
Bad idea for many reasons as has been stated by many of the above posters

-1
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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-10-29 13:01:54 UTC
Good point, well made... Roll
Sandslinger
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-10-29 14:08:57 UTC
Open to way too much abuse under the forms you posted above.


Remember sleepers are pretty damn powerful entities.

Scenario :
Scan Chain
Place (lure) on every hole.
Every hostile gang that tries to make it through the hole's get ganked by sleepers.

This would completely and utterly remove the ability for smaller entities to run non logi gangs. And that's just for starters.

Hell you wouldn't need to keep hole control just place (lure) and bubbles there.







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