Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I wonder why miners are so bad at protecting themselves. They are without doubt the least adaptable pilots in the galaxy.

A mid slot version of the Bastion module sounds like just the thing. Increases resists when active, needs lots of skills to fit, anchors ship in place.

You are clearly misunderstanding. This anti-bumping module would decrease your tank (and your yield) when active, not increase it. The whole point is to make you choose between being bumpable or being easily gankable, not giving you increased resistance to both.

I don't support the notion of it using a highslot. Just make it have a penalty on mining yield when active. Same effect.

If you make it flag Suspect when activated then nobody will activate it. I stick with my notion of making it flag Weapons though, to prevent the user from docking or jumping system for a full minute after it's deactivated. A minute isn't much, I know, but there are still times when my Weapons flag on SiSi hasn't quite worn off yet and I'm sitting outside a station/stargate for two or three seconds.

As for how to determine if a ship has this active.. well. Perhaps it could be an effect over the surface of the ship, much like reppers and hardeners.. except red. To my knowledge nothing uses a red effect. Then you'll be able to see clearly who the easier-than-normal kills are.

You have to be present to be somewhat effective at self-preservation...

Sounds like another knee-jerk reaction to whiners (oops.... 'miners').

2 currently available methods to reduce bumping affect:

1) orbit (great for ice mining). Makes it harder to bump & ship automatically recovers distance bumped.

2) keep at distance. Automatically recovers distance when bumped.

It's funny cause' the only one's that would need this feature are the one's that abuse the system.

I am a new player, literally a week old now (and loving the game) I get 2 days a week that I can play and then I am writing assignments or programming for Uni through most of that time, so I high sec mine while alt-tabbed. (Trying to save up to get into haulage then it's bye bye mining, hello money printing.)

I have not been bumped yet myself, and while I think it would be extremely annoying, I don't think it is something worth making this module for, since, as mentioned, it is only those that abuse the system that need it. I check back regularly and can just line my self up again, the ones that complain are the ones that afk for the longest periods of time and leach.


While I don not condone bumping, I honestly do not see any point to this module when bumping is a completely legal move.

Just my two pennies.

Li

edit:
Also. I know you like hating on miners. But take a moment to think on it from an economics point of view. Everything in eve relies on a constant and rich enough supply of raw materials. It is the same in RL. We need iron to create steel to build cars. In Eve we need Tritanium and a myriad of other materials to build ships, weapons, ammo and a whole host of other items within the universe.

There is a large enough population of players with an extremely high volume of ships required on a day to day basis as pirate ships destroy freighters, wars causing losses on both sides and idiots doing idiot things. (Like forgetting to put their drones back after their job is done >.> <.< >.>)

If this demand did not exist, the market would flood with materials and then 90% of the miners would stop mining, problem solved. On the other end of the spectrum, if you got rid of all those miners you hate so much, the cost of even just a Tech 1 ship would quickly rise to billions from mere hundreds of K due to the scarcity of resources.

Could you imagine the cost of building a Titan if 1 piece of Tri cost 10,000k because no one mined it any more?

except there will always be miners ... but instead of it being a solo guy, it'll be a PVP group protecting their interests (likely in lowsec, so they can kill off anyone before it becomes a problem).

Hisec would likely die with CONCORD the way they are now.


Really, the problem with "miners" is not that they are miners .. .but that:

1. They* feel entitled to play the way they want, with no outside influences (such as bumping, ganking, etc).
2. They* feel entitled to not require the same tradeoffs as a combat ship (i.e. they should be 100% safe flying full yield, no tank fits)
3. They* feel that the only way to do things is via mechanics changes.


*"They" being the vocal ones. There are probably numerous other miners who get lumped in with these idiots by virtue of the simple fact of being a miner -- in much the same way miners will (generally) call all bumpers, gankers, initiators of hisec wardecs, etc. "griefers" when they're playing fully "safe" of the "griefing" line (as defined by CCP).