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Tengu Offense dps is Low
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Ratmanz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-10-20 21:38:17 UTC
I am using this loadout: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/21433-Tengu-Next-L4-farmer.html

My skills:
Heavy Assault Missiles = 5
Heavy Assault Missile Specialization = 4
Heavy Missiles = 5
Missile Bombardment = 5
Missile Launcher Operation = 5
Missile Projection = 5
Rapid Launch = 5
Target Navigation Projection = 5
Warhead Upgrades = 5

Implants:
EE-602 (2% CPU)
AM-705 (5% to heavy assault missile damage)
GP-803 (3% reduced sig radius)
TN-903 (3% decrease in factor or target's velocity)
RL-1003 (3% missile launcher rate of fire)

Using Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missiles I only get an Offense dps of 566.6 in the fitting window. The author of the loadout and Tengu pilots I have talked to are getting 700-900 dps.

What am I doing wrong?
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-10-20 21:49:15 UTC
Caldari offensive systems skill level is.....?
Ratmanz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-10-20 21:52:36 UTC
Missed that one. It's at lvl 1
God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#4 - 2013-10-20 22:06:10 UTC
WELL THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#5 - 2013-10-20 22:41:08 UTC
God's Apples wrote:
WELL THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM


^ This, train that skill to 5!

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-10-20 23:34:37 UTC
Subsystem Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to Kinetic Missile Damage per level
7.5% bonus to Heavy, Heavy Assault and Rapid Light missile launcher rate of fire per level
10% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault missile velocity per level

To clarify, that is why your dps is so low. The subsystem bonuses are in general really really good.
Tom K'rathma
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#7 - 2013-10-27 05:00:35 UTC
Well there's your issue... With the skill at 4 I got around 350 DPS, at 5 I'm getting 493, and that's only with 4 BCSs
Tom K'rathma
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#8 - 2013-10-27 05:01:18 UTC
Tom K'rathma wrote:
Well there's your issue... With the skill at 4 I got around 350 DPS, at 5 I'm getting 493, and that's only with 4 BCSs


And at 5 with 5 Ballistics I'm getting over 500, around the 520 mark, and that's with regular Heavies. Also my missile skills are worse than yours.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#9 - 2013-10-27 09:57:48 UTC
[Tengu, Tengu: expensive pve beast]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Pith B-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I

Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer

Something like the above with your implants will give you ~1000DPS @42km with Rage and 665DPS @76km with Javelin. As others said, train up your offensive subsystem skill to V.

Suggested implant set:

Low-grade Halo Alpha
Low-grade Halo Beta
Low-grade Halo Gamma
Low-grade Halo Delta
Low-grade Halo Epsilon
Low-grade Halo Omega
Zainou 'Snapshot' Heavy Assault Missiles AM-705
Zainou 'Deadeye' Guided Missile Precision GP-805
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-905
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#10 - 2013-10-27 17:01:26 UTC
If you want a great Tengu, you need ALL subsystems to lvl 5, and Caldari strategic cruise to L4, have pretty much perfect missile skills, with HAMs, or HMLs spec to L4. Close to perfect shield skills, have prop skils close to perfect, hull skills perfect, rig stills for missiles and shields close to perfect, weapons upgrade and adavance weapons upgrade to L5, and Electronics and Engineering close to perfect.

If you do this you wil lhave a great tank, great range and DPS with missiles, stable cap usually and much harder to EWAR.

My PvP Tengus do around 700 to 800 DPS usually, my PvE does 900 plus.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-10-28 14:35:38 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
If you want a great Tengu, you need ALL subsystems to lvl 5, and Caldari strategic cruise to L4, have pretty much perfect missile skills, with HAMs, or HMLs spec to L4. Close to perfect shield skills, have prop skils close to perfect, hull skills perfect, rig stills for missiles and shields close to perfect, weapons upgrade and adavance weapons upgrade to L5, and Electronics and Engineering close to perfect.

If you do this you wil lhave a great tank, great range and DPS with missiles, stable cap usually and much harder to EWAR.

My PvP Tengus do around 700 to 800 DPS usually, my PvE does 900 plus.



What this man says. The only way to make any Tengu, or any other T3 by the way, to be worth of something it requires absolute perfect skills or at least at 90%.
5% here 3% there add some implants and wise mods to get +25% and plus performance over someone neglecting or not understanding the importance of all those little percentages making the difference.
If you want to feel dirty, all mighty and overpowered, add OGB pirate implants and strong combat boosters.

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