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CSM meets CCP Senior Producer Zulu about your concerns

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The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2011-09-09 18:26:18 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online) and, despite Gridlock and Team BFF's efforts, general stagnation when it comes to fixes and improvements, the CSM just met with CCP's Senor Producer for Eve Online: CCP Zulu.

During that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them. We cannot share the details of the meeting itself because it is heavily NDA'd, but ways to resolve your concerns have been discussed and a follow-up meeting is planned.

Stay tuned...

Meissa Anunthiel, Vice-Chairman of CSM 6



Sounds good, but the currency of sounding good has become rather devalued as of late.


Ah man I'm sorry, I know you're doing everything that can be done in your situation and I am genuinely grateful. I hope your efforts end up being rewarded with tangible results. Please keep on trying for us.


I agree, 'sounds good' is unsatisfying in this situation. Red meat is the only thing that concerns CSM6, not sound bites - deliverable improvements to EVE and a ruthless focus on FiS.

Yet updates to the players have to come across as best they can across the wall of the NDA, and right now we can only divulge that a meeting occurred and that methods of resolution were discussed.

I thought it was a useful conversation and I look forward to the next meeting - useful enough that we'll be relaxing the media pressure for now. Take that for what you will.

~hi~

Unforgiven Storm
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2011-09-09 18:26:42 UTC
Two step wrote:
E man Industries wrote:
Can the CSm meet with higher than Zulu...

I'm sure zulu would agree with much of what the CSM wants...but he can't allocate more budget from WoD to FIS.


I'm 99% sure that the only person above Zulu is Hilmar.


you are wrong, there is a shadow figure behind the scenes, that is above Hilmar and gives him orders everyday!

this person is the one that is really in charge and the one CSM should be talking with

This person is:

--> Hilmar's wife! Big smile

Last order issued:

"Hilmar, get out of the PC, stop playing that terrible game of yours and get the trash out! now!"

Unforgiven Storm for CSM 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. (If I don't get in in the next 5 years I will quit trying) :-)

Xython
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-09-09 18:35:25 UTC
At the very least, we now that the CSM's declaration of War, and the Viral Marketing that picked up on it, had results.
Denidil
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2011-09-09 18:37:37 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online) and, despite Gridlock and Team BFF's efforts, general stagnation when it comes to fixes and improvements, the CSM just met with CCP's Senor Producer for Eve Online: CCP Zulu.

During that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them. We cannot share the details of the meeting itself because it is heavily NDA'd, but ways to resolve your concerns have been discussed and a follow-up meeting is planned.

Stay tuned...

Meissa Anunthiel, Vice-Chairman of CSM 6



Sounds good, but the currency of sounding good has become rather devalued as of late.


Ah man I'm sorry, I know you're doing everything that can be done in your situation and I am genuinely grateful. I hope your efforts end up being rewarded with tangible results. Please keep on trying for us.


I agree, 'sounds good' is unsatisfying in this situation. Red meat is the only thing that concerns CSM6, not sound bites - deliverable improvements to EVE and a ruthless focus on FiS.

Yet updates to the players have to come across as best they can across the wall of the NDA, and right now we can only divulge that a meeting occurred and that methods of resolution were discussed.

I thought it was a useful conversation and I look forward to the next meeting - useful enough that we'll be relaxing the media pressure for now. Take that for what you will.


aka CCP Hilmar perceived the clear shot across the bow, and realized "i'm pissing off my companies core customers".

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
#45 - 2011-09-09 18:38:46 UTC
You know, your proposals to CCP would not be covered by the NDA if you told us what they were BEFORE you talked to CCP.

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Cailais
Tao Expeditionary
#46 - 2011-09-09 18:40:01 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
we'll be relaxing the media pressure for now. Take that for what you will.


Got the slap down huh?

C.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#47 - 2011-09-09 18:43:08 UTC
You know, this whole WiS / NeX store arrangement is making me think
When Star Trek Online launched, they had a cash store (C-Store) into which they put all kinds of uniforms, races (not available in game), Traditional ship designs (Excelsior), and told the playerbase quite literally, on the forums a few months after the ships started being put in and ppl started getting pissy, "You all have been asking for all this stuff for months now. If it wasnt for the C-Store, this wouldnt exist"

Im thinking that was the point of WiS. If it wasnt for NeX CCP would have had no incentive to finish the project. "For us, the players" is a pretty big laugh now that we've seen how CCP actually feels about us lol

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2011-09-09 18:43:42 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
You know, your proposals to CCP would not be covered by the NDA if you told us what they were BEFORE you talked to CCP.


We've made no secret about CSM6's desire to see more resources allocated to FiS. I'm not sure what part of our message you didn't understand from the blizzard of media coverage, podcasts, blogs, and CSM member posts during this controversy.

You can lead a poster to the internet, but you can't make him r>c>p.

~hi~

Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#49 - 2011-09-09 18:46:37 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
we'll be relaxing the media pressure for now. Take that for what you will.


Why do I have the possible feeling legal measures and/or bannings were threatened lol

its ok, its fairly obvious YOU dont stand for anything here. Color me not surprised you flip-flopped yet again

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2011-09-09 18:48:24 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
You know, your proposals to CCP would not be covered by the NDA if you told us what they were BEFORE you talked to CCP.


We've made no secret about CSM6's desire to see more resources allocated to FiS. I'm not sure what part of our message you didn't understand from the blizzard of media coverage, podcasts, blogs, and CSM member posts during this controversy.

You can lead a poster to the internet, but you can't make him r>c>p.



is it gonna be 3 months til we see the minuets of this meeting too?

OMG when can i get a pic here

Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#51 - 2011-09-09 18:51:28 UTC
Its really funny how the CSM brags how influential you all are in your blogs but when you get called on it on the forums, suddenly you dont have any power

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
#52 - 2011-09-09 18:53:14 UTC  |  Edited by: bitters much
The Mittani wrote:


I agree, 'sounds good' is unsatisfying in this situation. Red meat is the only thing that concerns CSM6, not sound bites - deliverable improvements to EVE and a ruthless focus on FiS.

Yet updates to the players have to come across as best they can across the wall of the NDA, and right now we can only divulge that a meeting occurred and that methods of resolution were discussed.

I thought it was a useful conversation and I look forward to the next meeting - useful enough that we'll be relaxing the media pressure for now. Take that for what you will.


tldr version:

I need more time to fish for new ideas on Failheap and then claim them as brand new born out of my mastermind Lol
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#53 - 2011-09-09 18:54:48 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
feelin smug now, not gonna lie~


still feelin smug?
Sounds more like you all got slapped back into reality

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
#54 - 2011-09-09 18:56:49 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
You know, your proposals to CCP would not be covered by the NDA if you told us what they were BEFORE you talked to CCP.


We've made no secret about CSM6's desire to see more resources allocated to FiS. I'm not sure what part of our message you didn't understand from the blizzard of media coverage, podcasts, blogs, and CSM member posts during this controversy.

You can lead a poster to the internet, but you can't make him r>c>p.


The details is what I don't understand. Like how much effort you propose to be shifted, what you propose to do with incarna (have it become yet another abandoned feature?) and so on. Do you think that eve should get more funding that the income from subscriptions and PLEX sales? If the money being spent of FiS is equal to the subscriptions, is it OK for CCP to spend money on WiS, Dust, Wod?

One of the above CSM members said that there was stuff CSM proposed that cannot be talked about because it was covered by the NDA. So there must have been CSM proposals that have not been in the media coverage, since if it was in the media coverage, it would be public and not under an NDA.

All Im saying is you could have given us that information first, before it got locked up under a NDA.

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Doomheim
#55 - 2011-09-09 19:03:00 UTC
All things considered, I am boldly going to predict that at Fanfest 2012 (assuming Eve has any fans left willing to attend), Hilmar in true homage to Icelandic humour, while nurturing his deep understanding of what the core customer base wants, will take to the stage to defend Incarna, WiS and Dust 514, amidst smoke, spooky sound effects and a fanfare of buzz words; emerging from a coffin with a PS3 Logo on the front of it while dressed up a a vampire; in an attempt to break the ice and reassure everybody that the future of Eve Online is in safe hands.
Othran
Route One
#56 - 2011-09-09 19:05:43 UTC
We'll see what we see.

My gut reaction is that CCP is incapable of reacting this fast but we'll see.
Dalketh
DRRUSSEL
#57 - 2011-09-09 19:06:44 UTC
Yes serious deja vu. The only thing missing could be a video of mittens joshing around with a CCP rep and talking about how great communication is going to be in the future and then tweeting about how drunk he was getting.... and in general reassuring the players they were over-reacting. Oh.... wait that's more deja vu... as that was what happened last July.


Prince Kobol wrote:
Anybody else having deja vu

hmm.. i will make a predication.

CSM will come back saying everything is fine.

The Mittani will be smugger then usual and will claim to have saved Eve, again.

CCP will post a dev blog with ponies and and how they have learned their lesson blah blah blah

Details of the winter expansion are annouced lots of people will get angry and the CSM will go rar and CCP will be silent and the forum will be full of rage and we will go.. hang on, this feels similar, deja vu anybody

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#58 - 2011-09-09 19:08:41 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
we'll be relaxing the media pressure for now. Take that for what you will.


Why do I have the possible feeling legal measures and/or bannings were threatened lol



From the available evidence, because you're not too bright and twist everything to fit your pre-conceived worldview?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Vicar2008
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2011-09-09 19:08:45 UTC
Vicar2008 wrote:
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
Vicar2008 wrote:
No offense I like where this is going, but its just another bone being thrown to us without actually anything concrete being said. Check out the last Dev blogs, plenty of words, no real Comming up content with changes/number crunching etc.


It's not a bone being thrown. Meetings like this one, when they reach their conclusion, take the form of a devblog and CSM posts. I believed it important for you to know that discussion is underway to address the problems, even if I can't disclose in what way yet.



Forgive my frustrations, its Friday afternoon I dont envisage any new information comming to light till Best speed Monday at best. Heres hoping i am completly wrong Pirate


Going to requote myself here, its always on a fecking Friday, more threads of us complaining you guys are telling us Jack :( note to CSM have it on Mondays we may know by Tuesday or Wednesday WTF is going on.......

God I am so bitter, anyone got a lemon?
Dalketh
DRRUSSEL
#60 - 2011-09-09 19:16:12 UTC
Yup yet another meeting with the CSM then no information due to NDA and everyone told to wait - AGAIN. CCP is getting smarter tho... this time they arranged the meeting more quickly to nip it in the bud and get the CSM to shut up.

Xython wrote:
At the very least, we now that the CSM's declaration of War, and the Viral Marketing that picked up on it, had results.