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I've debated writing this up for a while now because anyone can see the kind of backlash im going to receive for doing so, but some topics are too important to be ignored.

In 2012 im sure you all remember there was an incident involving player on player harassment that tested the bounds of how far the quote "This is EVE" goes. Im referring of course to the Mittani incident http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE#t=3869.

I believe there is another player who routinely has stepped up their harassment to the point where it borders the same level, this player is Erotica 1 and her known associates the New Order. I would like to state that the harassment described does NOT in ANY way refer to the miner bumping/suicide ganking of this group. I am specifically referring to the harassment that is involved during Erotica 1's doubling ISK scam.

For those who do not know about Erotica 1's scam, it involves having many members of the New Order vouch for her that she is indeed a legitimate ISK doubler, aftwerwards Erotica will indeed start doubling the persons ISK. After a person has done this twice they are given the opportunity for a "Bonus Room", wherein the target must hand over every last bit of property they own as a sign of "good faith".

This is where the line between harmless and harassment starts, so far everything stated is simple scam tactics and is a "shame on you for believing them" moment. What occurs NEXT however is where I feel this group crosses the line of simple EVE trolling.

The target is lured into a third party mic chat to discuss finalizing the transaction. The entire conversation is recorded and will be uploaded to their minerbumping.com website for prosperity as well as a lengthy description of the event and worded in a way that will bring the most embarrassment to the target. If this seems familiar at all to the Mittani incident, its because it is. Public ridicule, a total lack of regard for how far they take the ridicule, it in no way benefits the game or "creates content".

Please listen to and read the following example:


https://soundcloud.com/minerbumping/Erotica1-scams-Hydra-and-makes-him-sing-Im-a-little-teapot

*Explained*

http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/05/hydra-headed-lies-part-1.html Part 1
http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/05/hydra-headed-lies-part-2.html Part 2
http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/06/hydra-headed-lies-part-3.html Part 3
http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/06/hydra-headed-lies-part-4.html Part 4
http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/06/hydra-headed-lies-part-5.html Part 5

As you can see, the players humiliate the target by having them do these embarrassing acts, and then post the .wav files for all of their fans to enjoy, lastly of course the player never had any chance of getting their items back or doubling their assets.

I urge the CSM and the CCP to really take a hard look at if this benefits the game at all. Exactly at what point do you stop to say, hey this is going too far, this isn't what was intended for EVE gameplay. I strongly believe that what is being allowed to occur currently is cyberbullying, illegal in many places. I am not requesting that the players be banned, their miner bumping actions be hindered, or even for them to stop the scam in general. I simply would like CCP to step in and halt any further promotion of this obscene practice of public ridicule and humiliation

I have only been here a month, and in that time this issue has so disgusted me that im already submitting requests to CSM and CCP, a month.

*edit* I'd like to state I started by first creating a support ticket about this issue, but was told I would have to bring this issue up through this channel.

Please read the last sentence

This is the OP in the minerbumping forums who now without the slightest bit of irony, would like to whip out charges of harassment and "cyber bullying" at what goes on inside of a game.



You've already gotten your answer as to whether it is a EULA breach to scam players so your title is misleading.

Go find a game you like to play. Eve, and any competitive game, isn't for you.

Very little? You want him dead. Over a video game. You're unbalanced and disconnected with reality. I'm pretty sure you should seek professional help.

Haha.. complaining about personal attacks. That is rich. Also, "forum", not "pulpit". Your proposal is bad because no evidence cited consitutes harrasment or cyberbulling. CCP is pretty good about bringing the banhammer when it does, and they sent you here instead. In fact, the only two people mentioned in this thread who said they wanted someone to die is The Mittani and you. Which while not EULA breaking because you like to be passive-agressive with your RL death fantasies, is sick. If you feel like that about anyone, seek help.

Good. When he gets to the part where you wished a fellow human being would:



I am sure he'll recommend therapy for you as well.

As a specialist in cyberbullying, I'd like to state, Erotica 1's activities do not represent what we know as cyberbullying.


Also, as stated many, many, many times before, the CSM really isn't the appropriate entity to ask for EULA/TOS changes. It's not something they do. I'd also recommend you take a quick moment to review exactly WHO your CSM reps are. They.....tend to enjoy seeing emergent gameplay.

If you really, really, really think Ero 1 and company are breaking "cyberbully" laws, I recommend you talk with your local law enforcement entity.

You gotta go Parallux for quality, and ancient, Eve tears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns9oAGnK9CU

The words speak for themselves. I am a specialist in cyberbullying.

Here, bullying, at it's core, required forced nonconsensual involvement in an enviroment. Schoolkids can be bullied, because they cannot remove themselves from school. Workplace bullying exists because it's quite difficult for someone to up and change a job. Cyberbullying exists only in that social media has become a huge part of today's life, and isn't something easy to escape from.


Ero 1's bonus rooms and singing are purely consensual. Nobody forces you to play Ero's game. You are not required to join the bonus round. Nobody is holding a gun to a person's head, forcing them to sing. You can walk away at any time.


You can start calling it "bullying", when CCP comes in and says "sing on ventrillo or lose your account". Till then, it's someone making a poor decision.

So you think just because we can quit EVE Online its not cyberbullying? Ridiculous.

"Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively to impose domination over others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power. Behaviors used to assert such domination can include verbal harassment or threat, physical assault or coercion, and such acts may be directed repeatedly towards particular targets. Justifications and rationalizations for such behavior sometimes include differences of class, race, religion, gender, sexuality, appearance, behavior, or ability.[2][3] If bullying is done by a group, it is called mobbing.[4] The target of bullying is sometimes referred to as a "victim""

No where in this definition does it say "hey your not a victim if you can walk away". I am at work and my manager bullies me, but HEY its not bullying because I can quit my job!!! No your still being bullied, you should not have to quit your job , quit a game, or do ANYTHING because of another person. You are bullies.