EVE General Discussion

I'll give it a +1.

Tallest already admitted that this isn't a solution to the issue but a starting point.

The ships themselves are where the hard work needs to be done. Not enough PG or CPU for most Gal hulls, and less cap than comparable Amar ships holds them back

Almost every Amar ship has more lows than Gallente. Combine that will resist and HP bonus's and it's no wonder they're the favored race of armor tankers by far. Shift the resist bonus to Gal so they don't need to fly plated and they'll still have speed and the problems solved.

Looking forward to seeing if my Tristan can finally put up a decent showing vs a riffter or punisher. I think it's gonna take more than this to have an enyo v wolf- jag- vengeance fight be anything other than predictable but it's a good start. I'll take what i can get.

The less frequently asked question is how does this effect the Caldari gun boats ? Moa, ferox, rokh, were never super popular due to cross training but they were never bad ships overall. The lower pg requirements for shield extenders vs plates with no loss of speed gave then decent tank with good dps. How much better they get from these improvements will be interesting to watch.

+1

At least they didn't go completely out of whack like they did with projectiles. Now all we need is a buff to lasers and projectiles may be in balance again, provided the changes to hail get axed as they make projectiles better at being blasters than blasters themselves.

NO!

AND BECAUSE YOU ASKED OUR DEMANDS WILL NOW BE EVEN MORE RIDICULOUS!!!

MWAHAHA

I think rails got a good buff, and blasters got a good start. The reload time is the biggest improvement to me, to be able to sustain dps more efficiently is always a good thing.

i think they will very quickly reach a point of diminishing returns and hopefully will focus on the core of the problem, the Gallente hulls themselves that are too slow and not very agile for being blaster boats.

I appreciate the effort CCP is putting into this issue. The fitting and ammo reload buffs defiantly help to differentiate hybrids from their laser/projectile counterparts. However I still don't feel it addresses what I see as the core issue.

Railguns are unable to make use of their extreme (150km+) ranges. With the buffs to probing speed and the minimum warp distance of 150km, a competent enemy can cover the distance very easily. I think that the buff to reload times, tracking speed and damage will allow railboats to deal better with this problem, but I think it's just a bandaid to the larger issue.

Blasters (medium and larger) are still incompatible with slow armor tanked ships. In order to bring their full DPS to bear, a blaster boat must close well within web and scramble range where other "short range" (pulse/autocannon) weapons can do 70-90% of the damage from from 200-600% the range and still have the possibility of escape. Combined with the incompatibility between slow and unwieldy armor tanked ships (Gallente) and such short ranged weapons and I see a problem that can't be fixed with stat buffs alone.

who the hell cares about extreme ranges? hybrids cant even do damage comparable to pulses, arties or AC's from 30-40km. why dont we work on this little problem first?

youre completely wrong about the Deimos, and i dont have to justify myself to you, and "prove" that i was testing as well.

the Deimos does a pithy ~300dps with antimatter in a full rack of 200's at about 15-20km, with next to no tank, and a crapload of tracking and damage mods. u have any idea how easily a shield-tanked Cynabal tears up a rail Deimos? u wanna compare it to the pulse Zealot? dont even try noob.

what have you been testing, im just curious? did you actually test any of these ships against their Minnie and Amarr counterparts? against the Drake? the Deimos is ok only in your fantasies. the Talos is the shittiest tier 3 BC, and while the Naga might be "ok", large rails dont even compare to mega pulses (with scorch), arties, and even large AC's at 70km (LAWL). stop spreading misinformation.

so f'in mad bro

Learn to fit?

Why would i spread misinformation, what purpose would it possibly serve me?

I can fly anything, so with this patch all my hybrid skills and galente ship training are finally worth something.


I tell you what, you tell me when, and we'll start running through set ups on the test server.


I'm offering you a chance to put your money where your mouth is.

-1

Improvement yes, but not enough. Though perhaps not specifically to the hybrids themselves. Many Gallente ships still have a bonus that is completely worthless for a close in brawler....that horrible armor repair bonus. Include the Thorax's mwd cap bonus to that. In my opinion buffer is better for armor in PVP particularly if you must fight in close. Yes, I know it has its applications, mostly in solo or very small gangs, but buffer is just more flexible and neuting doesn't lead to instant death with a buffer fit. Buffer is also the way to go if being supported by logi, and god knows you need it since you don't see the effect till the end of the cycle.

So Gallente hulls need some work, first and foremost--- get rid of that bonus and do something meaningful to it. Something to help Gallente ships control range in a fight. Such as a bonus to SCRAM range or WEB range. Or whatever works. They don't need to be crazy fast, I got it. Tactics must be used to overcome the speed/kiting problem (ie warp ins, punting etc) The agility increase is appreciated so that when you get that warp in you can hopefully accelerate enough to keep in range until target lock is achieved and scram/web applied. Agility increase will hep also when switching direction in fleet fights as primaries change and you have to move into range. All the talk of changes to rigs, sprinting etc etc just in the end would make other platforms that much better as they would use those mods. Just make the second bonus useful for controlling range.

But yes its a start. The proof will be in how many Gallente ships are flown after the initial surge that comes from checking them out. But as it stands the stats prove that with few exceptions Gallente ships are hardly flown. There is just no reason to when other ships so much much better, in many ways because the bonuses they get actually complement their purpose.