EVE General Discussion

I find this story somewhat interesting, and I'm curious of the logistics of small corps moving into low sec and NPC null, as well as the benefits. Obviously you're not going to be getting the benefits of Sov holding null - which is to say, supercap construction, jump bridges, and Sov upgrades to ratting. You are going to have access to the rest of the benefits - high quality PI, anomaly ratting as an alternative to missions, 0.0 complexes, and even potentially the unique benefit of 0.0 mission agents. Theoretically, you might make money with moon mining, but any highly profitable moon would be held by the nearest power bloc, so I'm assuming moon mining mostly helps you recoup much of your fuel costs. All in all, this seems like a fair bit of effort, but reasonable for a medium sized active corporation, as you describe your main, with access to a few ship types for logistics.

That last bit is what I'm most interested in. Rorquals are ideal for dropping and fueling POS, but with the rising cost of oxygen isotopes, is there any issue with running one for your needs? Do you have redundancy to prevent burnout of the guy doing POS setup/maintenance? The same goes with the carrier pilots you use, presumably to help import your ships, as well as potentially provide fighter support to your ratters - is it needed for one in ten to have a carrier so that hull importation is not an issue? Or is it closer to one in five? Finally, blockade runners, which are easier for 'line members' to skill into, or at least roll an alt for - do you find having one of these to be a bare minimum for line membership, or can players get around this by corp programs to import modules/ammo?

I guess I'm also interested in the general PvP experience for a medium, independent, NPC null corporation. I've seen everything ranging from solo to ~30 man fleets out of various NPC null entities, and even had good fun playing station games with a few, but I've got an outsider's perspective. Do individual hulls have significantly more value to your corporation, as losing them represents a greater cost in effort to replace them, or is your importation initiative strong enough that roams with inexpensive, disposable setups are still a fun and viable pastime?

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"Do you honestly think that a huge fleet is going to amass to knock out one POS in NPC null space which is occupied by a few guys trying to scratch out a living & not particularly harming anybody."
YES, ABSOLUTELY... AND JUST FOR LULZ!

" I have news for you- lots of people think they "owned" their space & just as quickly they were evicted, just look at the swings & tides in Dotlan."

Do us a favor and show us on Dotlan what part you own...
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Your an Idiot- nobody owns NPC space. CCP put it there so people like me can stick 2 fingers up at you & tell you to get ******.
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Yeah, I know... I'm an idiot... and you still haven't told me where in zero you reside.
You said you wanted to meet friends.

Thanks for the encouragement There are those who welcome & those you would burn down your front door if they thought that there was "fun" to be had from that action. Eve very much mirrors life in that respect..

Good advice about not bringing all our shiny stuff to null. We live quite frugally & happily rat in tec1 ships. This keeps the ever possibility of loss quite low. All the cap ships are stored away from the POS anyway so that eliminates one source of worry.

We get the occasional hauler spawns which keep us stocked up with useful bulk minerals. All in all it is not a bad experience especially with the PI helping out with the POS fuel costs as its mainly ICE product that is bought from empire.

I really think that the essence of Null is that nothing is ever going to be as easy as empire, those who choose empire have a far easier ride but the satisfaction of getting into null more than compensates.

Good story and kudos to you for moving out to null. Don't worry about the haters on here.

We did not look too closely at who lived in the region we were planning to occupy. The lowsec POS was already in situ so it made sense to select a null location within jump range of that location. The most important concern was that it had to be within one cyno jump of a level 5 jump drive calibration pilot both for Rorqual & jump freighter.

A location was selected and a covert ops corp toon member scanned all the moons in the target location & came up with a number of moons that allowed multiple moon harvester arrays to be anchored. This provides us with products for a reaction back in our lowsec location.

I am conscious of the interest in this thread and I honestly wish that most of null was not geared to burning down your ranch. I would love to give more information about the location but at this moment in time we are too weak to make a difference.

For those of you who don't have all the resources and skillsets that the OP's corp has, there's an even EASIER way to get your corp out into NPC losec/nosec:

1. You can move clones out to losec/nosec using Jump Frog. You can create jumpclones, then Pod Express to your destination, and then jump clone back whenever you want to return to hisec.
2. You can move your stuff out there using Black Frog.

Set it up early in the week and have it ready and waiting for you on the weekend. No muss, no fuss. Easy as that.

If you can find a low sec location that is also within 1 jump of high-sec (and there are a lot) then you will be able to easy move the goodies you acquire in null into high sec by jumping from POS directly to the hi-sec gate. This minimise risk & the whole experience has been about minimising risk & cost.

On the subject of making friends we hope to establish some contact with the locals & eventually look to working with them for a common goal of mutual interest & support.

If we can hold out until the patch becomes live defensive issues will become much easier with the nerf to super caps, particularly as we have a number of HIC & cap ship pilots ready to come to our aid which is a step we would rather not take.

I suppose the whole using carriers or being in one just to be logistics and carry other people and their **** does sound fun. If we are talking about small corps using carriers and rorquals, might as well get yourselves a jump frieghter propably be more helpful. Think only the exploration and havens are cool down there, some kind of better ore as well down there too.


Hopefully your small corp can upgrade to a SC down there and go around hot dropping people, small corp style.

I was about to reply that JF`s are prohibitively expensive for small corps, but then I noticed your eye socket full of Nyx and realised that 'prohibitively expensive' isn't a concept you are likely to entertain,nor even offer pirated DVD`s to.

And to the OP,I applaud your attempt to gain entrance to the Nul,and only wish I had the sense to use a forum Alt,
Our small corp has made the effort to get out of empire on our own terms twice before , and in time we will try for a third.But for now a touch of WH living keeps us entertained.
I wish you the best.