Ships & Modules

I've been playing with the rubicon EFT, specifically comparing the Paladin to the Nightmare I've noticed the following.

No implants, All V. Only turret dps was considered.

1) Paladin is very easy to fit, almost too easy, being drunk would not be a good enough excuse to ever lose one.

2) The Paladin will need 2 more TC's on top of the nightmare to track better ( the NM's un-stacked hull bonus makes this so )

3) The Nightmare has more mid slot utility, sensor booster comes in really handy when your kill speed equals your lock speed. Or another TC for big smiles :)

4) To match the NM in dps the Paladin has to use a 2 slot tank, NM can easily fit 5 heatsinks ( i know, stacking, but what else would you put)

There very similair ships, the NM has the edge up close due to better tracking, the Paladin is the king of long range but I still think conflag is the way to go, there are plenty of PvE situations where all targets are 35-40K away or less, and conflag is a clear winner. At range its different, again i'd say at pure range the Tach Paladin is again better. The Tach Nightmare is best in a mixed environment where its tracking can help it compete with the Pulse paladin up close and it's Tach range would beat the Pulse Paladin over 35k's

TLDR - paladin is (way)easier to fit and is awesome up close with pulsesor at range with Tachs, but not both at once, Nightmare is slightly worse but can do both at once, and has more mid slot utility.

Conclusion - I'd use both :)

the paladin and nightmare were very close to each other before. I prefer the paladin for its lazymode approach. the tach cap reduction just made that better with odyssey.

I think pulse will be much more useful than before, but in general I'll probably stick with tachs.

the ability to 2 slot tank with a medium rep is pretty lulz. I'll probably go with a med rep, IN EANM, and DC II for the sake of laziness. in the mids I'll go with 2-3 tracking comps, sensor booster, and/or prop mod. maybe stick with a cap recharger and a large rep for a mission where you will need to tank a lot.

for most missions my nightmare has an xl booster and 2 invulns for tank. leaving plenty of room for a sensor booster and tcs. I've been meaning to try a pithum booster but I haven't been playing much lately.

The Nightmare is currently much better IMO. Both can be made cap stable but that's not really my goal. I'm looking for max DPS on target.

Here's why I think the Nightmare is better (Currently)

A 4th heat sink plus a tracking enhancer in the lows. Yes you can fit the 4th heat sink on a Paladin but you sacrifice tank.

The Nightmare with a shield tank has a stronger burst tank. Again this is just my preference since it allows me to take full room aggro but has enough DPS to kill things faster than I can run out of cap

37.5 bonus to tracking. When you add two tracking computers in the mids it's just awesome for those missions that drop you on top of everything.



Things the Paladin has going for it.

No cap issues... It's good for lazy mode I guess.

Has the capability to salvage while running missions. This always adds extra ISK if you don't have a dedicated salvager. If you have an alt or another person with a Noctis using the one unbonused Salvager II on a Paladin isn't worth it though.



After Rubicon I'm thinking with the new 37.5 bonus to optimal range bonus and a MJD you can just jump to range, engage bastion mode and blast away. Due to the range and resistance bonuses from bastion mode a 4th heat sink should be possible. You still won't have the Nightmares tracking bonus but at that range tracking shouldn't be an issue.

I already bought one waiting for the patch. I don't want to pay some outrageous price the day after the patch because everyone wants one

Generally having to fit less tank means more free slots for damage mods. At least with an armor tank.

Yea I know people that shield tank a Raven with one invuln and a large shield booster. I guess it depends on your play style but I prefer more tank. I normally pull full room aggro and blast away till everything goes pop.

I'm thinking the same, conflag everything and there mother to death, ditch the MJD for MWD, use a Tach nightmare where conflag is ineffective.

The way I see it i'm already enjoying INMF out to around 44k optimal with my nightmare no problems at all, so I could easily put another 250 dps on top of that and reduce range to 36k with a pulse Paladin.

tbh im gonna keep with my armageddon navy kinda drone boat

[Armageddon Navy Issue, Armageddon Navy Issue: Navy Issue Geddon - Level 4 blitzer]

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Cap Recharger II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Garde II x5


I love it, and actualy pumps out a bit more dps, but at closer range, never realy run into trouble, you have to adapt the hardeners according to what missions you are in.
You can fit a mwd if you like if you dont want the tracking computer.

cos their **** cool

Interesting that this discussion brings up the Nightmare ,for myself I live in a wormhole and I don't think the nightmare compares after Rubicon pulses give you in bastion mode 77km optimal with scorch,83 +13 falloff with radio 1150 dps with conflag , ok the tank is massive which won't be needed in missions

Of course this doesn't even bring up

Do not group the weapons....