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Caldari Missile-Based Attack Battlecruiser
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#21 - 2013-10-23 21:42:55 UTC
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I think the high risk/high reward nature of ABCs (tons of damage and fast, but squishy and prone to tracking problems) doesn't really lend itself to the consistent damage that missiles provide.
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-10-23 21:43:42 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Since we apparently need a missile ABC, why not just remake the Tornado? Lol


I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Ganker voices suddenly cried out in terror.Lol
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#23 - 2013-10-23 22:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Kahega Amielden wrote:
In the same way that drones are a primary weapon for Gallente
EDIT: Nvm, didn't realize you were responding to a bad post about factions having only one valid primary weapon

No worries. Just seems odd to have two hybrid-based ABCs. I think you'd have a small Jita riot on your hand if you attempted to switch the Tornado over to missiles, hence the suggestion to just change the Naga.

Lore-wise it makes sense. The Gallente and Caldari originate from the same star system (but different planets). Much of their initial spacefaring technology was developed in cooperation with one another (which may include weapons tech).
After a few centuries apart they would certainly develop new tech more to their own personal tastes but some of the underlying tech would still remain (because if it works right and people are already versed in their use, why change/replace it?).

How did you Veterans start?
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-10-23 23:45:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Antaris
Gypsio III wrote:
nerdman234 wrote:


I can say it looks pretty. However I feel the naga should've just been missile, but that's just me not being able to let go of the one time used it sisi before the turrets were changed. That said. RHML would be absolutely broken on a missile naga. It would be akin to a caracal boasting a 8 rapid lights. Or maybe a really big talwar. A little too strong against frigs for my taste.


Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers fire Heavy Missiles, not Light Missiles. Hence, er, the name. So it's absurd to suggest that it would be OP, or even useful, against frigates.

I agree that the Sisi missile Naga was memorable though. As in "lol this is useless, who thought this was a good idea?" memorable...


But I did like the torp naga, stop being mean to the poor torp naga.

It just had:

1. Not enough base speed and javelin torps still had the speed penalty -> a kitting BC that was as slow as a BS What?
2. to little cpu for tank and gank with torps -> a BC that had to kite because of the lack of tank while being to slow to kite P
3. only one missile bonus, and it did need a bigger velocity bonus(moar range for kitting with torps) and probably a explosion velocity bonus to because it could do next to nothing against the other tier 3 BCs Sad

I still would like a torp naga ish ship in eve, maybe a bit less bad than CCPs design but overall I did like the idea. Also enough fitting for a 100mn AB setup like on the Orcale or Tornado. Cool
Kedv
#25 - 2013-10-24 00:06:58 UTC
Bombers are the "missile ABCs".
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-10-24 04:31:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Kedv wrote:
Bombers are the "missile ABCs".



basically. not tanky, high damage.

Cheaper to boot. Got the isk for a 8 man tier 3 gank squad got the isk for 8 bombers and then some. Land them right and they even more survivable. I took cyno bait (thought I could pop the arazu before it called in friends). Mix non sebo bc with slower scan res and I was basically done by the time I could lock a bomber. edit- if tackled right warps in to spotter should work as well I imagine.
Corvald Tyrska
Valknetra
#27 - 2013-10-24 05:34:59 UTC
Then all we need is to be able to fit Cruise launchers and RHML to bombers. I'm sure no-one could possibly object to that (except for everyone in EVE who owns a cruiser or larger sized ship) Lol
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#28 - 2013-10-24 06:11:10 UTC
Corvald Tyrska wrote:
Then all we need is to be able to fit Cruise launchers and RHML to bombers. I'm sure no-one could possibly object to that (except for everyone in EVE who owns a cruiser or larger sized ship) Lol

Don't be a ****.

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Yummy Chocolate
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-10-24 06:44:01 UTC
contrary to the OP's (and other people's) belief, Caldari are NOT strictly missile based. to the best of my knowledge, Caldari invented the railguns; so it's safe to say that the Naga represents the Caldari best out of all the ABCs: long range, shield buffer, and fail tactics.

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Yummy Chocolate
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-10-24 06:45:04 UTC
Kedv wrote:
Bombers are the "missile ABCs".

also this Cool

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#31 - 2013-10-24 07:41:13 UTC
Yummy Chocolate wrote:
contrary to the OP's (and other people's) belief, Caldari are NOT strictly missile based. to the best of my knowledge, Caldari invented the railguns; so it's safe to say that the Naga represents the Caldari best out of all the ABCs: long range, shield buffer, and fail tactics.

I didn't suggest or otherwise imply that Caldari are missile only (obviously they use railguns too). Just that missiles are fairly predominant. Look at the number of missile vs. railgun-based ships in each class and you'll get a casual idea of missile use. Just as examples, 5/6 battleships use missiles... 3/5 battlecruisers use missiles.

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-10-24 09:11:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Yummy Chocolate wrote:
contrary to the OP's (and other people's) belief, Caldari are NOT strictly missile based. to the best of my knowledge, Caldari invented the railguns; so it's safe to say that the Naga represents the Caldari best out of all the ABCs: long range, shield buffer, and fail tactics.

I didn't suggest or otherwise imply that Caldari are missile only (obviously they use railguns too). Just that missiles are fairly predominant. Look at the number of missile vs. railgun-based ships in each class and you'll get a casual idea of missile use. Just as examples, 5/6 battleships use missiles... 3/5 battlecruisers use missiles.



and the 6th battleship, Rokh, pulls out ahead as the fleet ship of choice for many crews. Very popular minority that 1 bs.

Well that and for whatever reason ccp will not give another (edit: hybrid, NM counts for guns) gun boat to caldari. I'd happily see the death of one of the navy missile BS' to get a navy rokh instead if it had to be a 1 for 1 swap.

Or to even it up less drastically I'd also be open to say scorpion getting guns. That way it covers t1 and t2 to even things up. I'd even be nice enough to let SNI stay missiles for ole times sake. Rattler we could argue over...with its range for sentries imo rails be better to be more even but thats me There is demand for caldari gun boats its just all the missiles boats clog up the path to it.


Here enters naga. New set of bc's and ccp gave guns. No legacy ships were hurt in the making of this move. Naga rates highly in the tier 3 circles. Also as mentioned in this thread and others before torp naga was killed on sisi. Those who flew it did not mourn its passing. By many accounts it sucked ass. Guns a change that worked out well of it.
Maxxor Brutor
Borderline Procurements
#33 - 2013-10-24 11:32:20 UTC
Gief Guristas-skinned Naga with bonuses to missiles & drones Cool
Zachev Trace
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-10-25 02:17:22 UTC
I honestly really like the idea of a tier 3 BC that uses missiles, especially with the addition of RHMLs.

+1
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