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No Risk/Reward in Faction Warfare....
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Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-10-24 15:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Madbuster73
FW has a disease.

FW was meant to provide PVP and some Isk for those that are involved.
But there are so many alts now from people that arent even in FW but just do it for the easy LP.
Because it is way too easy.

At the moment a 1 week old char can farm a medium plex in a stabbed and cloaked t1 frigate.
It should not be possible to kill the Medium NPC in an unskilled t1 frigate....

Its ok if they can do the Novices, because thats what they are there for, but making 40 million isk in 20 minutes by easily killing the Medium NPC in an unskilled,stabbed and cloaked T1 frigate is just too easy

This doesn't reflect the Risk/Reward policy that CCP always seems to aim for.....

And this is easy to solve....

make the Novice Outpost NPC able to tank 50 dps. (so noobs can still kill it and run it)
make the Small Outpost NPC able to tank 150 dps (so you actually need a dessie or well fitted frig to kill it) (or 2 people)
make the Medium Outpost NPC able to tank 250 dps (so you actually need a well fitted Dessie/AF/Cruiser to kill it. (or 2 people)

That way people in stabbed t1 frigs either have to ship up or can only run novices wich is fine by me.
But it makes the good LP only available for people that bring a decent ship.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-10-24 16:04:41 UTC
Sounds like a good idea,
Can u fix the defensive plexers with no modules fitted too?

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Sollis Vynneve
Destructive Silence
#3 - 2013-10-24 16:14:26 UTC
need to make it so cloaks and stabs dont work inside plexes.
The Sinister
Interbellum
#4 - 2013-10-24 16:39:27 UTC
Sollis Vynneve wrote:
need to make it so cloaks and stabs dont work inside plexes.


You cant do that.

What if i want to ambush a plexer in my rapier? I will need my cloak dont you think? otherwhise he will never come inside cause he sees me in directional scan.
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#5 - 2013-10-24 16:55:05 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
Sollis Vynneve wrote:
need to make it so cloaks and stabs dont work inside plexes.


You cant do that.

What if i want to ambush a plexer in my rapier? I will need my cloak dont you think? otherwhise he will never come inside cause he sees me in directional scan.

Even if you do that, you'll only be disappointed when your victim warps away because he's got 4 stabs or something lol

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#6 - 2013-10-24 16:56:13 UTC

I can make a cloaky, stabbed tristan that's able to take down many NPCs.... And I can also bring in a main and blap the rats and then leave my alt in there to finish it off...

Really, the LP for running down a timer mechanic is what needs addressing. Not people fitting cloaks and stabs and stuff.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-10-24 16:56:19 UTC
As I said in the last thread about this.
Disable the warp drive on all ships in the complex until the complex has been captured.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-10-24 17:02:04 UTC
Remind me, what happened to suggestions like timer rollbacks and the like? Were they deemed bad or something?

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#9 - 2013-10-24 17:25:50 UTC
Reduce LP payouts for plexing. Increase LP payouts for pvp.

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TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#10 - 2013-10-24 17:27:47 UTC
Madbuster73 wrote:
FW has a disease.

FW was meant to provide PVP and some Isk for those that are involved.
But there are so many alts now from people that arent even in FW but just do it for the easy LP.
Because it is way too easy.

At the moment a 1 week old char can farm a medium plex in a stabbed and cloaked t1 frigate.

This is easy to get rid off.

make the Novice Outpost NPC able to tank 50 dps. (so noobs can still kill it and run it)
make the Small Outpost NPC able to tank 150 dps (so you actually need a dessie or well fitted frig to kill it) (or 2 people)
make the Medium Outpost NPC able to tank 250 dps (so you actually need a well fitted Dessie/AF/Cruiser to kill it. (or 2 people)

That way people in stabbed t1 frigs either have to ship up or can only run novices wich is fine by me.
But it makes the good LP only available for people that bring a decent ship.


If I recall correcly you're using a cloaky stabbed FW alt yourself.

My Condor costs less than that module!
The Lobsters
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-10-24 17:33:09 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
Sollis Vynneve wrote:
need to make it so cloaks and stabs dont work inside plexes.


You cant do that.

What if i want to ambush a plexer in my rapier? I will need my cloak dont you think? otherwhise he will never come inside cause he sees me in directional scan.


So leave co-ops cloaks and just nerf standard cloaks.

I would love to see WCS and standard cloaks nerfed in plexes. It would however make FW Griffins online.


Still, better than nothing.

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Eliza Loney
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-10-24 17:34:40 UTC
Easy solutions!Big smile

Timer does not run if you are cloaked, you can still pick off targets but not while running the plex

Must be within 2000 M of the button to capture it, easy fro group, hard for solo

NPC calls in backup at random intervals, they are defending it after all

Greatly increased align times for warp stabs, as well as top speed penalties so it takes longer to get away.

Reduced LP for plexing in an undersized ship, reason being if someone DID show you would loose anyway

Warp scram batteries inside plexs, kill-able but takes a minute

Restrict acceleration gate usage to 2 warp core stabs, " Your warp engine signature is damped too much for the gate to properly lock on and accelerate you to the destination"
Spr09
Abyssal Echoes
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#13 - 2013-10-24 19:38:20 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
As I said in the last thread about this.
Disable the warp drive on all ships in the complex until the complex has been captured.


Holy **** no. Disabling warp stabs and cloaks is the best solution, since you're supposed to be in FW to pvp, not farm sites.
Spr09
Abyssal Echoes
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#14 - 2013-10-24 19:39:30 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Reduce LP payouts for plexing. Increase LP payouts for pvp.


This is the most sensible solution, since FW was designed to be PvP centered.
Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-10-24 19:49:08 UTC
Spr09 wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
Reduce LP payouts for plexing. Increase LP payouts for pvp.


This is the most sensible solution, since FW was designed to be PvP centered.



Less LP for plexing = less pilots in space trying to make that LP = Less PVP......



The LP is not the problem, the fact that a cloaky, stabbed t1 frig can kill the Medium NPC THATS the problem.....
Robbie Robot
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-10-24 23:57:50 UTC
I think they should also get LP for killing non-FW player ships in sites. I have tried to shoot people in sites, and they should really get more reward for fighting off pirates. Instead of decreasing the payout for plexes, increase it for PvP.
Motorbit
Moira.
#17 - 2013-10-25 05:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Motorbit
we had higher payout for pvp, it did not work. ppl just killed their alts to abuse the system.

imo, the only solution would be to disable cloaks and stabs.
this would only hurt farmers (and dump pirates that think they actually could lock up a friggate with their recoon ship before it could warp off and are to scared to do some seroious fighting)

having any non allied ship within fw complexes threatend as fw target (incl. lp payout and no standing loss for engaging) woudl be great.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-10-25 07:47:21 UTC
Wait, it actually still ticks down when cloaked?

/boggle.
Vulfen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-10-25 10:32:32 UTC
When in highsec if you are being chased by the police, you cant cloak. the same should apply for FW as it is a hostile "milita" chasing you then until they are not cloaking should not be allowed
Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-10-27 10:27:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Madbuster73
Vulfen wrote:
When in highsec if you are being chased by the police, you cant cloak. the same should apply for FW as it is a hostile "milita" chasing you then until they are not cloaking should not be allowed



That doesnt solve the problem, its still too easy to run a Medium Outpost........
It should not be possible to kill the Medium NPC in an unskilled t1 frigate....

Its ok if they can do the Novices, because thats what they are there for, but making 40 million isk in 20 minutes by easily killing the Medium NPC in an unskilled,stabbed and cloaked T1 frigate is just too easy.

It doesnt reflect the Risk/Reward policy that CCP always seems to aim for.....
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