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Problem with mining laser range.
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Spencer Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-10-24 11:03:12 UTC
Is any one having an issue with the mining laser range bonus not working. I'm flying a Procuer/Hulk with t2 laser's and t2 crystals and my alt is flying an Orca with all the mining mods and skills maxed out +_ mining forman mindlink. My max laser range is showing 24km but i can't lock onto rocks past 18km. This was working fine last week but now it's not.
I've posted a bug report but i've heard nothing back, not even a "we've recieved your mail and will look into it."
This applies to all types of rock in any belt i goto.
Any idear's my mining mate's???
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2013-10-24 11:13:55 UTC
You getting damped (or lose a pod with a targeting range implant)?

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Spencer Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-24 11:18:54 UTC
Well seeing as everything was fine last week and i've not upset anyone i dont see how i'm being Damped!
It dosen't matter where i mine i have the same issue.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2013-10-24 11:37:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
The range of the mods is fine obviously. What this seems to be is the Targeting Range of the mining ship itself.

Are you absolutely sure 'it was working earlier" ?

This happens with drones based from a mining ship. Their range may be 80k, but the ship itself cannot target till things are within 26K so the range is "useless".

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Spencer Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-10-24 13:57:00 UTC
Yes i'm sure it was all ok last week.
Have been mining fine up until now. It has to be a glitch.
I get the increased mining amount bonus as in more ore per cycle but cant get the range it say's that i should be getting.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-10-24 14:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
It's not the laser range. You could get all 24km of the laser range, however your targeting range is cut to 18km and you can't activate a laser on an object you can't target. Hence the problem here is targeting range, not your Orca's mining range boosts

Have you changed ship types? Removed a sensor booser from you ship? Removed a targeting range implant? Removed a targeting range rig? Removed (or not activated) a targeting range increasing gang link?

Edit: That said, both hulk and procurer have a base targeting range of 22.5km. What?
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#7 - 2013-10-24 15:36:29 UTC
did you add a warp core stabilizer to your ship this mod has a penalty to targeting range
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-10-24 15:41:36 UTC
Warp core stabilizers reduce targeting range by 40-50% per stabilizer. Perhaps your long range targeting skill needs some training?

As mentioned above, the standard targeting range of a procurer/hulk is 22,500 m.
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Spencer Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-10-24 15:43:00 UTC
Yes i did add a wcs but that was weeks ago. Surely the range bonus from the orca would not be affected by that?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-10-24 15:52:49 UTC
You are confusing two different things: your targeting range (how far can you target an asteroid) and your mining laser range (how far can you shoot your laser, assuming you already have the asteroid targeted). The Orca boost increases your laser range, but does nothing to your targeting range. The WCSs reduce your targeting range. And you can't mine what you can't target.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-10-24 16:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Spencer Dallocort wrote:
Yes i did add a wcs but that was weeks ago. Surely the range bonus from the orca would not be affected by that?


The range bonus is unaffected, but the Orca's range bonus only affects the activation range of the lasers. You have a reduced Targeting range, as in you can't target the asteroids. Think of the Orca's boost affecting the near-equivalent of Optimal or Falloff for mining lasers. It's just how far the lasers can reach to a locked target.

Drop the warp core stabs, your targeting range will increase back to normal and you'll again be able to target asteroids at ranges over 18km
Spencer Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-10-24 16:59:04 UTC
Dropped the wcs and am now able to lock up rocks at full range.
Thanks for all your help and sugestions.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2013-10-24 19:41:12 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
The Orca boost increases your laser range, but does nothing to your targeting range.

Not true if the Orca pilot has Information Warfare trained, it is 2% / level to targeting range.
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#14 - 2013-10-24 20:38:42 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
The Orca boost increases your laser range, but does nothing to your targeting range.

Not true if the Orca pilot has Information Warfare trained, it is 2% / level to targeting range.


drop in the bucket compaired to the wcs penalty
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#15 - 2013-10-24 21:07:18 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
The Orca boost increases your laser range, but does nothing to your targeting range.

Not true if the Orca pilot has Information Warfare trained, it is 2% / level to targeting range.



If someone's piloting an orca without the basic leadership skills trained (or at least on the near future skill queue) they're doing it wrong :)

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#16 - 2013-10-24 22:29:33 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
If someone's piloting an boosting orca without the basic leadership skills trained (or at least on the near future skill queue) they're doing it wrong :)


Fixed. My orca pilot's got no leadership skills beyond what was needed to sit in the ship at the time. But then, I don't mine.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#17 - 2013-10-24 22:47:23 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
If someone's piloting an boosting orca without the basic leadership skills trained (or at least on the near future skill queue) they're doing it wrong :)


Fixed. My orca pilot's got no leadership skills beyond what was needed to sit in the ship at the time. But then, I don't mine.



Good point.

If you're using it as a tanky hauler, then it's fine. (if it's there as mission/exploration/ganking support, then it should be boosting too Blink )

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