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Sensor Compensation Skills.. need some explain
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Daler Farmon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-10-24 04:44:04 UTC
Hi,
Yesterday one of my corpmates suggested to train Sensor Compensation Skills:
Gravimetric Sensor Compensation
Ladar Sensor Compensation
Radar Sensor Compensation
Magnetometric Sensor Compensation.

Because I've been jammed too much in one of lvl4 missions(can't remember name). So, it was pointed out that i'll not be jammed. But what for we need ECCM modules then? I dont really have a free slot to fit ECCM module, that skills seems amazing.

However, today after doing some search, I've found out that those skills aren't so helpful and they do help but for some few ships.
What are those ships? and Do i need to train them to lvl5 to see some effects?

Thanks
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2013-10-24 05:11:21 UTC
I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that these skills weren't so much intended to be a replacement for ECCM so much as to enhance it's effectiveness. I also would like clarification if this is not the case.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2013-10-24 06:26:43 UTC
The skills work best on ships that already have a high native sensor strength and they increase the effectiveness of ECCM modules. For instance, a Tengu with a Dissolution Sequencer has a base grav sensor strength of 35. Taking grav compensation to 5 adds 20% for 42, an absolute difference of 7. The same Tengu without the skill but with a single ECCM jumps to 68.6. With comp skill at 5 that jumps to 82.3, a 20% increase for an absolute increase of 13.7 (which makes it nigh unjammable).

On the flip side, nothing does much of anything for very low sensor strength ships like Marauders. Because the skills, ECCM, and sensor backup arrays all increase by a percentage off of the base strength the absolute movements are much lower. For instance, a Vargur starts with a measly 11 ladar. Skilling ladar comp to 5 only gets you up to 13.2 -- still a 20% increase but only a 2.2 absolute increase. A ladar ECCM without the skill gets you up to a whopping 21.6, and with the skill to 5 it goes to 25.9. Almost up to the Tengu's original sensor strength What?.

So, in short: the skills work well on ships that already have a high native sensor strength. Without that, they are less good. Much less good.
Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#4 - 2013-10-24 14:52:19 UTC
Awesome explanation Zhilia Mann! Smile

A bit oT But,
There is like no way to make say a proteus or tengu totally immune to a falcon right? Pirate
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-10-24 15:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Janeway84 wrote:
Awesome explanation Zhilia Mann! Smile

A bit oT But,
There is like no way to make say a proteus or tengu totally immune to a falcon right? Pirate

Totally immune, no. But a sensor strength of 80+ is pretty darn close.

Unless you count FoF missiles and drones which don't need a target lock. But they have their own issues.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#6 - 2013-10-28 23:09:57 UTC
Basically each level of the correct Compensation skill for your ship makes you ~4% harder to jam. There are minor diminishing returns.

That means a ship with a 50% chance to be jammed drops to ~40% with level 5 (actually, probability is 0.5/1.2 = 41.67%).

I highly recommend training these to level 3 for each ship you fly, and to level 5 for anything you fly that is often called primary EWAR target (logistics cruisers in subcap engagements, scripted heavy interdictors in supercap engagements)

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Lia Danna
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-10-29 20:51:34 UTC
Train them all to level 4 and be done with it.

If it is worth training it is worth training to IV.
Janna Sway
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#8 - 2013-11-23 05:46:38 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
The skills work best on ships that already have a high native sensor strength and they increase the effectiveness of ECCM modules. For instance, a Tengu with a Dissolution Sequencer has a base grav sensor strength of 35. Taking grav compensation to 5 adds 20% for 42, an absolute difference of 7. The same Tengu without the skill but with a single ECCM jumps to 68.6. With comp skill at 5 that jumps to 82.3, a 20% increase for an absolute increase of 13.7 (which makes it nigh unjammable).



...and un"probe"able
Clementina
University of Caille
#9 - 2013-11-23 23:19:40 UTC
You should train the Sensor Compensation skills that match to the ships that you use. Remember
Radar Sensors are used by Amarrian ships
Magnetometric Sensors are used by Gallente Ships
Gravimetric Sensors are used by Caldari ships
Ladar Sensors are used by Minmatar ships

Pirate ships with two races will choose one of the races for the Sensor type. If you fly all four races you need to train all four skills. If you fly only Caldari you only need Gravimetric unless you start training other ship types.
Chris Carlyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-11-25 23:14:09 UTC
Lia Danna wrote:
Train them all to level 4 and be done with it.

If it is worth training it is worth training to IV.


I agree. I used to get jammed a lot in missions like 'the blockade'. This skill solved the problem for me. It won't make you immune, but there is a good chance you can take out the EWAR ships before they successfully jam you. Train it!

Do you know who's going to inherit New Eden? Arms dealers. Because everyone else is too busy killing each other.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2013-11-26 00:16:04 UTC
Chris Carlyle wrote:
Lia Danna wrote:
Train them all to level 4 and be done with it.

If it is worth training it is worth training to IV.


I agree. I used to get jammed a lot in missions like 'the blockade'. This skill solved the problem for me. It won't make you immune, but there is a good chance you can take out the EWAR ships before they successfully jam you. Train it!


Guristas Blockade? L4?

Because that doesn't exist. And sensor strength doesn't help against anything except ECM. (And scan probes. Yes, I know.)