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EVE Valkyrie not (necessarily) on PC...
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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#21 - 2013-10-24 14:04:07 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
"Booger sugar"?

ROFL. That's a new one.


I learned it from Will FerrellCool
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#22 - 2013-10-24 14:05:35 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
It's for the Oculus Rift... which is for PC and mobile apparently.

Guess what? That means console isn't even in consideration.

Nope, sorry, it doesn't... Sony is developing a similar device based on the same principles for PS4.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#23 - 2013-10-24 14:08:17 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
It's for the Oculus Rift... which is for PC and mobile apparently.

Guess what? That means console isn't even in consideration.

Nope, sorry, it doesn't... Sony is developing a similar device based on the same principles for PS4.


And, one could conclude that MS is or will be attempting to do the same.

Oculus goofed up, imo, by revealing before the next gen console release. If they had posted it after, they'd have given the respective companies a lot to worry about to try and fit them backwards compatible with their consoles.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#24 - 2013-10-24 15:39:00 UTC
BadSeamus wrote:
Forum ate my post

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/10/24/very-odd-ccp-refuses-to-confirm-eve-valkyrie-on-pc/#more-174017

Say it aint so CCP...


They would be idiots to design a game for a piece of kit (The Rift) which is only intended for initial release on PC, for any other platform than the PC.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-10-24 15:43:09 UTC
Whatever. If CCP wants to **** up Valkyrie like they did Dust, then it let it fail. I'll have plenty of other Rift space games with equal or better (Rebirth) graphics to play.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2013-10-24 16:06:17 UTC
In the real world people are not allowed to confirm anything until the marketing department rubberstamps it.

this article is a load of hot air and nothing. obviously it will release on PC because OR is not being developped for any other platform right now, but until the marketing blurb goes out nothing will be confirmed -- this is a standard industry practice.
Hendelse
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-10-24 16:48:17 UTC
I hope they have learned from the faliure of DUST.

The fans of CCP play their games on computers.
Even though I plan on buying a PS4, I will be bummed out if VAL doesnt come out on the PC.

The situation now: I have a PS3, but playing FPS games with a gamepad is like shaving with a rock. Thus I do not play DUST.

Valkyire will be more suited for the gamepad, but the core audience is still on PC.
So even though it doesnt have to be a PC excusive. It sure as hell needs to be there.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#28 - 2013-10-24 16:51:08 UTC
I wouldn't want to admit that its being produced by EA and coming out for the Xbone exclusively either.





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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#29 - 2013-10-24 16:57:39 UTC
i had a feeling the eve game would be found on the steam gaming box that is coming out.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#30 - 2013-10-24 17:02:55 UTC
Hendelse wrote:
I hope they have learned from the faliure of DUST.

The fans of CCP play their games on computers.
Even though I plan on buying a PS4, I will be bummed out if VAL doesnt come out on the PC.

The situation now: I have a PS3, but playing FPS games with a gamepad is like shaving with a rock. Thus I do not play DUST.

Valkyire will be more suited for the gamepad, but the core audience is still on PC.
So even though it doesnt have to be a PC excusive. It sure as hell needs to be there.



1. there is an average of 3-4k dedicated players on all the time

2. dust can use a mouse and keyboard

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Baggo Hammers
#31 - 2013-10-24 17:04:42 UTC
VEry unlikely it could go to console due to the rigidity of that medium. Either PC or specialized device.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#32 - 2013-10-24 17:11:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
MeBiatch wrote:
Hendelse wrote:
I hope they have learned from the faliure of DUST.

The fans of CCP play their games on computers.
Even though I plan on buying a PS4, I will be bummed out if VAL doesnt come out on the PC.

The situation now: I have a PS3, but playing FPS games with a gamepad is like shaving with a rock. Thus I do not play DUST.

Valkyire will be more suited for the gamepad, but the core audience is still on PC.
So even though it doesnt have to be a PC excusive. It sure as hell needs to be there.



1. there is an average of 3-4k dedicated players on all the time

2. dust can use a mouse and keyboard


Oh wow, 3-4k active players who don't have to pay to play. I'm sure that's working out for them well. Free to Play games are supposed to attract massive crowds of players who might spend the occasional tenner. Not tiny cult followings.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#33 - 2013-10-24 17:20:04 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Arduemont wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Hendelse wrote:
I hope they have learned from the faliure of DUST.

The fans of CCP play their games on computers.
Even though I plan on buying a PS4, I will be bummed out if VAL doesnt come out on the PC.

The situation now: I have a PS3, but playing FPS games with a gamepad is like shaving with a rock. Thus I do not play DUST.

Valkyire will be more suited for the gamepad, but the core audience is still on PC.
So even though it doesnt have to be a PC excusive. It sure as hell needs to be there.



1. there is an average of 3-4k dedicated players on all the time

2. dust can use a mouse and keyboard


Oh wow, 3-4k active players who don't have to pay to play. I'm sure that's working out for them well. Free to Play games are supposed to attract massive crowds of players who might spend the occasional tenner. Not tiny cult followings.

I can tell you never played dust otherwise you would know how training sp works... if you want to train sp at a decent rate you pay for the implant s...

Not sure what the actual metrics are for people purchasing goods are but I would bet most of the hardcore players do...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#34 - 2013-10-24 17:22:46 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:



Well no not pay to play but if you want to train sp at a decent rate you pay for the implant s...

Not sure what the actual metrics are for people purchasing goods are but I would bet most of the hardcore players do...


Even if, by the generous metric of 50%, you account for the hardcore players buying stuff, that's only about 2-3k.

CCP spent years on this, and probably lots of dough to boot. They also have to pay for the servers.

For 2-3 thousand people? There is no equation where that isn't a colossal waste of time.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#35 - 2013-10-24 17:26:56 UTC
the game most likely was expected to take a loss for the first few years of operation, and gain players as it became more popular. That's p miuch what happens to any MMO game that is not a runaway hit. you have to plan for that eventuality in any business plan.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#36 - 2013-10-24 17:32:53 UTC
Chandaris wrote:
the game most likely was expected to take a loss for the first few years of operation, and gain players as it became more popular. That's p miuch what happens to any MMO game that is not a runaway hit. you have to plan for that eventuality in any business plan.


Not true. Most MMOs start out acceptably strong then bleed off players after a few months.

DUST is just a flop. They tried, I get it. And now it's coupled in with EVE, so it's not easily gotten rid of.

But we still get to say "We told you so".

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#37 - 2013-10-24 17:36:24 UTC
loading gameboy batteries

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#38 - 2013-10-24 17:47:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:



Well no not pay to play but if you want to train sp at a decent rate you pay for the implant s...

Not sure what the actual metrics are for people purchasing goods are but I would bet most of the hardcore players do...


Even if, by the generous metric of 50%, you account for the hardcore players buying stuff, that's only about 2-3k.

CCP spent years on this, and probably lots of dough to boot. They also have to pay for the servers.

For 2-3 thousand people? There is no equation where that isn't a colossal waste of time.


thats active at any point in time. so that could be up to 12-24 k people who play each day.

that does not account for weekend warriors. and the fact that one of the boosters you dont have to play to gain sp... its called the passive booster.

i would guess that the average dust player pays on average $20 a month

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#39 - 2013-10-24 17:47:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Chandaris wrote:
the game most likely was expected to take a loss for the first few years of operation, and gain players as it became more popular. That's p miuch what happens to any MMO game that is not a runaway hit. you have to plan for that eventuality in any business plan.


Not true. Most MMOs start out acceptably strong then bleed off players after a few months.

DUST is just a flop. They tried, I get it. And now it's coupled in with EVE, so it's not easily gotten rid of.

But we still get to say "We told you so".

Actually, as has been pointed out before, the beauty of DUST is that it doesn't need a huge player base to be profitable long term. Much like EVE, it is starting with a small but loyal base that will grow as the game does over time. It's not designed to be a big bang that dies after a few months, it's designed for the slow burn.

I wouldn't count it out just yet.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#40 - 2013-10-24 17:55:08 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Chandaris wrote:
the game most likely was expected to take a loss for the first few years of operation, and gain players as it became more popular. That's p miuch what happens to any MMO game that is not a runaway hit. you have to plan for that eventuality in any business plan.


Not true. Most MMOs start out acceptably strong then bleed off players after a few months.

DUST is just a flop. They tried, I get it. And now it's coupled in with EVE, so it's not easily gotten rid of.

But we still get to say "We told you so".


interesting fact eve was also a flop... but it had hardcore dedicated players who helped the game evolve to what it is today...

not saying this will happen with dust. but that is what they are shooting for.

they have hardcore dedicated players who are determined to work with the devs to make the game better.

the fact they are doing montly point releases to fix the game proves this.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
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