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Rattler Maximum Passive (Blood)
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Mrs Management
PSK Industries
#1 - 2013-10-24 10:36:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mrs Management
Hi,

I am looking for a maximum "Passive only" tank against Blood Raiders and can't seem to
be able to improve the (live) setup below.

I know if its caught PVP its going to be a LOL kill mail but it only needs to sit inside anoms
tanking the rats and killing anything close with a war Scrambler etc. while a carrier kills the rats
with sentry's.

Any help appreciated.



Highs

True Sansha Large EMP Smart Bombs
True Sansha Large EMP Smart Bombs

Heavy Missile II (Mjoinir)
Heavy Missile II (Mjoinir)
Heavy Missile II (Mjoinir)
Heavy Missile II (Mjoinir)


Mids

Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amp
Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amp

Pithum A-Type Thermic Ward Amp

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Lows

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Rigs

Large Core Defence Field Purger II
Large Core Defence Field Purger II


Stats

EM 74% Therm 65%

476 Passive Shield HP/s

29,062 Shields
152 Secs
Giullare
The Candyman is Back
#2 - 2013-10-24 11:44:52 UTC
You will be surprised by sawpping 1 or 2 lse with shield recharger.
Mrs Management
PSK Industries
#3 - 2013-10-24 12:00:39 UTC
Changed Mids as suggested. Anything else to improve ?

And Thank you

Highs

True Sansha Large EMP Smart Bombs
True Sansha Large EMP Smart Bombs

Heavy Missile II (Mjoinir)
Heavy Missile II (Mjoinir)
Heavy Missile II (Mjoinir)
Heavy Missile II (Mjoinir)


Mids

Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amp
Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amp

Pithum A-Type Thermic Ward Amp

Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Lows

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Rigs

Large Core Defence Field Purger II
Large Core Defence Field Purger II


Stats

EM 74% Therm 65%

510 Passive Shield HP/s (476)

22,500 Shields (29,062)
152 Secs (110)
Angelina Joliee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-10-24 12:11:14 UTC
A rattle can fit 3 rigs - not 2.

But your rattle is already heavy overtanked for anoms.
You should switch to a T1-Domi and leave your carrier in station.

Rattles are for difficult stuff like bloodraider-ded-complexes.
Mrs Management
PSK Industries
#5 - 2013-10-24 12:50:49 UTC
Sorry it was 3 x Rigs

Rattler always me to have partner agro and being able to forget the tank for 60 secs.




Rigs

Large Core Defence Field Purger II
Large Core Defence Field Purger II
Large Core Defence Field Purger II
Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#6 - 2013-10-24 14:10:38 UTC
Why no drone damage amplifiers? Shocked
Mrs Management
PSK Industries
#7 - 2013-10-24 14:25:43 UTC
Carriers do all the Damage ..... Tattle is for Agro Tank only.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-24 14:41:40 UTC
Don't forget that now the rat AI is smart enough to switch targets.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#9 - 2013-10-24 15:47:21 UTC
this thread hurts my soul

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-10-25 10:29:55 UTC
If you're going for LSEs go for core defense field extenders, since it'll do so you benefit from the LSEs, and with all those power relays you're already very high on the diminishing returns.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2013-10-25 14:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
culo duro wrote:
If you're going for LSEs go for core defense field extenders, since it'll do so you benefit from the LSEs, and with all those power relays you're already very high on the diminishing returns.


Power relays do not suffer stacking penalties. They also don't suffer diminishing returns in the way that you're implying. Your peak recharge rate scales lineraly with the ratio of total shields to recharge time. So, when it comes to rigs, purgers will always result in higher peak recharge than extender rigs (-20% to the denominator increases the ratio more than +20% in the numerator). It doesn't matter if the ship itself is fitting shield extenders in its midslots or not. The only reason (its a good reason though) to fit extenders is that they give you significantly more buffer in exchange for somewhat lower peak recharge time.

As far as passive tanks go, the only time where you suffer diminishing returns (again, not talking about stacking penalties) is deciding weather to fit an additional recharger or a LSE (or resistance mod) in a given midslot. LSE's offer a flat HP bonus, while everything else is purely percentage based. So depending on your total HP and recharge time, one may be more optimal for getting a higher HP/recharge time ratio.

Also, EFT.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Julius Priscus
#12 - 2013-10-27 04:00:30 UTC
Mrs Management wrote:
Carriers do all the Damage ..... Tattle is for Agro Tank only.


if a carrier can not solo anoms you are doing it wrong!
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
#13 - 2013-10-27 04:59:50 UTC
I could be wrong but I am pretty sure 3 rechargers and 1 LSE works out to be the best split for a RS.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-10-27 15:23:28 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
This a drake? Lol.

Anyways, all the cool pplz tank L5 and some anoms in bustards. Has better passive tank then a drake or even a nighthawk vs. guristas. AND has +2 warp strength.

Blood raider is what, thermal and EM? Bustard can tank thermal to ****, EM is tougher but slap 2 active EM hardeners on it and should be around 90% as well. Quick EFT check gives me 1000dps tank vs 50/50 EM/Therm on a bustard, no implants. Same as a drake, half the sig radius, so less overall dps incoming. AND you have cargo room for loot for your sentry bot!

EDIT - yep, checked EFT more carefully, better passive tank then a drake.

But seriously, move to guristas land, bustard vs. guristas is around 2200dps tank, passive. With command boosts and implants, up to 3000, thats a 10/10 DED complex-level tank. Something to think about, no?