Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi CCP, I know your worried about lag with 2Hz ticks, and that the servers wont be able to keep up.... but maybe it's time to experiment some with 2Hz ticks on the test server? to see how bad it actually is? I think the game would be much better with a higher Hz, and 2Hz is a nice start... maybe even all that is needed...

if it is truely as bad as you fear, it's easy to change back, thats what I been told at least... it's just a number in a line of code that needed to be changed.... I also been told that it doesn't directly increase lag, it all depends on how many are trying to perform actions at the same time... or the more that is happening, the more it will be affected by higher tick rate... worse case, you could tie it to the Tidi, so whenever Tidi kicks it, it goes back to only 1hz...

Would it be a bad idea to have it on SiSi for testing for a little while? even just 1 week and then disable it again if it's much worse?

That has a drawback besides server perfroamnce.

IT helps peopel with good ping more than peopel that live on other side of world and have a ping over 500ms.


1 HZ is fine as of now. THe only thing that would change is that peopel woudl be able to kill pods warping from gates. Not worth the HUGE server drawback jsut some more extreme griefing can be made (and that said by someoen from UMAD means it really is unecessary griefing)

But i know you have been always a bit nervous and impatient, since back in MAss Homicide and INE :P so I know why you might want it :)

THings coudl be made so only a few important thigns are handled on 2hz. But others are not. Droens do not need to be evaluated at higher rate for example.

Basically just tackling

Depends.. the capability of small ships to pass trough is what keep some new players trying low sec. If it gets too easy to kill them , you will see even less peopel in low sec.

So must be careful with that.

they don't go in low anyway, and those who do would just switch to a cloacky, so imao, this is a non issue.

and keeping a broken mechanic just because some ppl use it sounds more like an exploit than anything else anyway

plus we are talking here about a few ships only, pods / shuttles / intys and nanoed fast ships, wich require pretty nice skills to fly, mostly t2 or T1 with a lot of SP backing it up + implants, a 3 week player with a rifter is not in this equation, those are able to be caught already, really it is about all those things that acually align in 2 sec or less

a year and half ago, those were able to be caught, and guess what? there was even more ppl in lowsec than actually (put apart the spike we had the month after odyssey, wich is gone anyway).

so clearly, not related

i remember being at war back then and catching pods on gates with stiletto.

my skills are better now, yet this is not possible anymore, you cannot even initiate the lock on pods crossing the gates they are already in warp when they appear on the overview, only way to catch them is to have a smartbomb BS on the next gate and activate them with the correct timing, and even that does not always work, pods manage to pass right throught if they are lucky on the server tick.

i just hope ccp does nothing about it and keep the changes on the warp speed as they were on sisi, the situation will be hilarious when shitload of ppl will get pointed out of nowhere or bubbled by a ship that just spawned on their overview, i feel like ccp support team will burn under the petitions!

You do realize that it's far more likely that changing the server "tick" isn't just a switch or variable as you seem to think, but rather fundamentally re-writing the entire game engine... right?

I think a lot of people here don't realize that going from 1hz to 2hz update rate on the server would give it 100% more load.

So, if 500 players caused tidi to kick in now, it would happen at 250 players with a 2hz tick.

250 kicks TiDi just fine, move a 250 man fleet through a bunch of unreinfored nodes.

Depends what the bottlneck on the server is. If its on the persistence system, or memmory, the cost of tick rate would not scale linearly. But if the current system is processing power bound, then increasing the tick rate would scale linearly or sometimes even worse since other dependent systems may be overloaded.

And some here do realize what it means, since CCP is not the only place in the world were complex high demand massive data software is developed.

Ignoring server capability for a second, there is another disadvantage to increasing the tick rate. The faster the tick rate, the more sensitive Eve is to latency between the client and server. Which means the more disadvantage there is to people who live further away from the servers.

Which is why most MMOs have EU, US and, sometimes, Oceanic servers. To reduce ping times. But that requires the servers to be separate from each other, which means separate shards.

So even if the servers could handle the increased tick rate, it might not be a good idea.

So you all understand why this really matters to me: The Eve servers are in London. I live in New Zealand. Meaning I'm probably as far away from them as you can get. Eve Online is the only game I know of which is hosted in Europe, not turn based, and remains playable for me.