Market Discussions

Contents
1. Bond Terms & Conditions
2. Explanation of Terms & Conditions
3. Public Information
4. Bond Purpose
5. Bond Risks
6. Exit Strategy
7. Investor Information
8. Investor List
9. Previous Completed Loans
10. Previous Investors

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1. Bond Terms & Conditions

Total Bond Size: 22B (22 Billion)
Rate: 10%
Bonds: 1B (1 Billion) ISK each (no max purchase)
Collateral: None
Start Date: 24 October, 2013*
End Date: 24 November, 2013*
*Dates may change according to ISK receipt date

2. Explanation of Terms & Conditions

15B ISK bond with 10% interest paid per month. 15 bonds at 1B each

No collateral: It simply is not feasible for me to provide a sizable portion of the principle without seriously disrupting my trading and, therefore, this is something that I will not be offering.

Audit: I have no intention to arrange one, however if this proves essential for investors confidence then we can discuss contacting a reputable auditor and having one performed.

Interest: Will be paid at the end of the term within 24 hours of the end date.

Pull-Out: If you wish to pull-out then the interest earned will be calculated on a daily basis and you will not receieve the full 10%. You must give 48 hours notice.

3. Public Information

I would like to stay as transparent as possible.
Alts: Dai007 (Main), Mattikus Saken (Production), Rex Anguine (Production), Doctor Salcazzis (Production)

Hurricane Research was bought back on 21st September from the Sell Orders - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3631500 Grendell was used as a 3rd Party. All but Dai007 are members of that corp

4. Bond Purpose

I am currently station trading with a NAV of around 40B, the bond funds will be injected straight into my trading operations and will allow me to expand into more buy orders & higher quanities which in return will lead to more profits.
Buy low/sell high strategy with fast turnarounds.

5. Bond Risks

Scam: This is something that will always popup, and there has been countless discussions about it. There is nothing I can do to absolutely assure you that this will not happen, all I can tell you is I am not interested in any scam attempt or rep grinding or anything of these sorts.

Wardec: I will not be leaving the station to do anything. Public courier contracts are used to move any items.

6. Exit Strategy

If anything was to go wrong then all buy orders will be cancelled and sell orders will be priority. All principal and interest will be returned as if the bond had completed.

7. Investor Information

Investors may invest as much as they want, but with a minimum investment of 100M.
Public investors please post here and declare your interest. Any silent investors please contact me via eve-mail

8. Investor List
Philadelphia lawyer - 10B
flakeys - 18B

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9. Previous Completed Loans:

✔ 12B @ 10% - 30 Days
✔ 8B @ 10% - 30 Days
✔ 4B @ 10% - 30 Days
✔ 2B @ 10% - 30 Days
✔ 2B @ 10% - 30 Days
✔ 1B @ 10% - 30 Days
✔ 1B @ 10% - 30 Days
✔ 1B @ 10% - 30 Days
✔ 1B @ 15% - 1 Month

10. Previous Investors

• Pinnel
• Kraillach
• Michelle P1H9A8N1
• okoolos rimmer
• I Was There
• Plato Idari

lol

Strategy is clear - Buy low, sell high - Tick (Station trading is not complex and there is nothing more to a station trading strategy)
Audit - What would an audit accomplish? You would be able to tell that I am actually a trader and discover what items I trade with?.

I don't quite understand your last point, the previous loan has been completed & all principals & interest were paid out BEFORE this bond was offered.

If any investor is genuinely interested then I can provide a report from Eve-Mogul.

I don't know if somebody has asked this in any of your previous threads (I apologize if so) but could you tell us a few words about Hurricane Research?

It doesn't seem to be a freshly created alt corp and I am a little curious how you ended up in control of it.

Apologies I will update the Public Information section now.

Hurricane Research was bought back on 21st September from the Sell Orders - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3631500 Grendell was used as a 3rd Party. All but Dai007 are members of that corp



1.22B was paid out in interest. So with your logic I am taking a loss of 20M?.
There is no loss, I made over 26B this month so 1.22B interest was taken out of the profits. Do you not understand this?.



As detailed in the bond offering, it would be stupid to offer collateral on a station trading operation. If i had 15B collateral I would just simply sell it.

Common Sense - Not ticked

I totally understand, the point is invalid. Why would I look to offset the interest paid-out in another loan/bond? It makes no sense.

Again, the comments that have been raised by yourself and Uppsy Daisy have no weight or backing on your theories.

My previous loans have always successfully finished with good profits and interest/principal has always been returned. I keep hearing the same comments - "XXX scammed so you will too".

Also, why bother commenting if you don't get involved with investments?. What previous records do you have in market investments that gives you the ability to determine what is a 'safe' risk or not?

You naughty person pretended to buy a ticket in your own lottery

For the record could you confirm/deny whether Medgeth is just a friend or an alt?

(For what it may be worth to random readers: I am confident that Wafflehead says the truth about Dai007 being his real main character.)

I have to say that I'm quite suprised that you run a scam lottery. This puts this loan in an entirely different light.

So last month, you started with a NAV of about 23 billion and borrowed 12.2 billion (total about 35 billion) and made 26 billion with that, a return of roughly 70-odd % over a month. Seems okay.

You claim your NAV is now about 40 billion. So this suggests that, even without borrowing, you get a return of something like 28 billion over the next month, if you maintain a similar rate of return from last month to this.

So at this point, borrowing 15 billion ISK for a month advances your operation to a size it will reach anyhow in a couple of weeks. A two-week difference like that can be quite meaningful at the start of a trading career when the cost of a PLEX or two for your accounts is eating up a lot of your gross, but at this point, it's not clear why this is important. It seems like a bit of a hassle to borrow that ISK from the public when you'll likely hit the same point in your own NAV in a fortnight anyhow.



Agreed, though perhaps not in the way you mean.

just get an audit and be done with it, saves you so much hassle

i sincerely hope this blows up, a lessons needs to be taught to some people apparently.