Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Currently, these are perhaps the 2 worst features in EVE. Neither has been touched at all since I started paying attention to patch notes probably 3 years ago. They're both archaic, time-consuming, and clunky. And to make matters worse, one is a requirement of use for the other.

Tonight I had the displeasure of unlocking 167 BPOs by myself. First I had to spend about 15 minutes right-clicking each individual blueprint, clicking "next" then clicking "ok". It went faster after I realized I could keep one hand on the enter key and mash enter twice instead of moving my mouse there. next, the even worse part. Voting on 167 votes. This quickly turned into an absolute nightmare, and I'll get into that more below. But first, why do I even need to vote on an unlock vote that I started? I think it's pretty safe to assume that if I started an unlock vote, I probably want to vote YES to unlock it.

Here are the problem as I see them with unlocking BPOs:

• There's an unnecessary page when you click "Start an unlock vote" where you would normally choose the BPO to unlock. I've already chosen it by right-click on it, so why do I need to go through this again? All I do here is click "next".
• I can only unlock one at a time. If I have multiples selected, only the one I clicked on gets an unlock vote.
• I can't immediately tell which BPOs already have a vote in progress without attempting to start another.

I understand locking/unlocking BPOs is not something frequently used, but the rest of the hangar UI has been totally overhauled repeatedly, isn't it time for this function to be overhauled? Far more obscure features have been fixed in the page. This one isn't used very often, but when you need to use it, you NEED to use it.

And the problems I see with corporation voting (Oh boy, here we go!)

• No way to tell what votes you've voted on already without expanding them.
• No way to tell what the vote is for exactly without expanding it.
• While we're at it, there's no way to easily expand all votes (Which you have to do to see any real information of a vote or to place your vote!)
• Still on the subject of expanding votes, whenever you place a vote, ALL expanded votes are closed.
• This also jumbles up your position in the list seemingly at random. Sometimes I had to scroll up, sometimes I had to scroll down, sometimes it was right there.
• You can't change your vote (This one is more a matter of opinion, and will probably warrant some discussion).
• You can't resize the columns in the Votes tab.

As you can see, there's a laundry list of nuances and difficulties here. Almost all of these are relatively simple fixes that aren't really groundbreaking things. An expand all button, adding a bit more information to the main heading for a vote, simple stuff.

I'd like to see a way to easy start an unlock vote for all my selected BPOs at once. I'd like a way to quickly vote on all the votes (BPO unlock or otherwise) without having to expand > vote > find where I was in the list > repeat. Ideally, when I started a simple yes-no vote like that, you could just assume that I do in fact want to do the thing I started a vote for. I'd like a way to sort votes by whether or not I've voted in them yet.

I can't imagine anybody would have a problem with anything I'm touched on here, but I'm certainly open for feedback. I just want to see this horrible part of corp management

I did think of that, but here's my reasoning. IIRC, anybody with shares can start a vote. So, being pressured into starting a vote is rather silly. Why bug the CEO to do it when you can do it yourself?

That is definitely a concern though. 2 possible solutions: Be able to check or uncheck a box to vote by default, or be able to change your vote. Or perhaps just apply a default vote only to unlocking blueprints? Aint nobody gon' get me to unlock my blueprints 'cept me, see?

But like you said, if the rest of the process was more streamlined, it wouldn't really be much of an issue if you had to go vote manually after starting it.

As CEO of my own corp and someone who's relatively familiar with how the roles system can be used for evil, I'm going to say that the first thing anyone should do when they create a new corporation - yes, even before you invite your first member - is to assign all 1000 shares to yourself. Then assign yourself a Director role.

Anyway, there's a team busy refactoring all the old game code (of which this is a part) and probably cleaning it up a lot too. Making it more modular and such, I hope. When they're all done, it will be possible to neatly and effectively kill all these old terrible things with a dull hatchet and replace them with sleeker, smarter, more intuitive and just generally easier-to-work-with things.

So, apparently unlocking blueprints is 100% broken and you can't actually sanction the action anyway, and you have to petition to get them unlocked. So yeah, I'd say now's is as good a time as any to completely rework this whole process.

This whole process gets even worse when you purchase 100 blueprints off the market that need to be locked down. You have to unpack the blueprint before you even have the option to start a lockdown vote, and the only way I've discovered that you can unpack a blueprint is to start a job on it; and, because of the tedious procedure that the OP mentioned above (about the collapsing voting bars each time you vote) the ideal way to unpack and lockdown multiple blueprints is to do the entire process, start to finish, one blueprint at a time.

Which goes something like this:
Right click > select job type > open assembly line window > select facility > select assembly line > click "use line" > hit okay > hit cancel > right click bp again > propose lockdown vote > next > next > open corp window/politics/votes > expand bottom bar > vote > rinse and repeat with every new blueprint.

Summing this all up in text doesn't sound all too bad... but once you add in all the mouse dragging and UI latency, and other elements like dragging and dropping BPOs in their proper place, one at a time, to avoid any theft while you drone through this exhausting process... it becomes a living nightmare to do this for every single blueprint. I know that I'm probably not expediting the work that needs to be done to this system with my little rant, but I felt compelled to post something about it after going through this process a couple hundred times.

I'm in need of clue here, wtf is Locking a BPO? and why are you doing it?

If it is to prevent theft, Why don't you put all the BPOs into a Division and only left Full Directors/CEO have Take access to that division, regular members don't need take access to use a BPO for Research or Manufacture.