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China closes down a city due to SMOG

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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#1 - 2013-10-21 17:52:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Brujo Loco
Shocked at this, I sometimes get angry when I smell a bit of too much smog when I walk near a crowded street here in Panama, the levels there on the other hand are insane!

Discuss!

kkthnx!

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#2 - 2013-10-21 18:03:02 UTC
Wow, nasty. That stuff ends up as acid rain in the Pacific Ocean and elsewhere in the region. Their smog becomes everybody's problem. The old Tragedy of the Commons thing.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#3 - 2013-10-21 19:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
China is such the concentrated Petri Dish now that I think some kinda weird end is inevitable. And soon.


edit: Probably through a mass die-off of ALL farm animals or something. Look at what happened with all those pigs earlier this year.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-10-21 21:28:57 UTC
At least smog makes for beautiful sunsets.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#5 - 2013-10-21 23:18:46 UTC
YaaaYY!!!!!11111 Nooooo Regulation!!!! Must be GREATTTT!!!!!





























































oH wait Ugh
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
#6 - 2013-10-21 23:19:33 UTC
I was in Beijing for the New Year's Festival in February. There were a few days where you couldn't see the buildings across the street. I remember a photo in the paper from a few weeks before the visit where the building looked like something out of Blade Runner.

Hang on a sec... (Google-fu): http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-VZ220_011413_J_20130114144623.jpg

That's the Pangu Plaza building, during the day, not something Deckard was flying past. Not so much with the beautiful sunset.

Part of the issue is that, in part, China uses estimates of power plant production to calculate GDP, and the coal plants are often ordered to certain levels of production regardless of need, in order to keep the GDP numbers up.

Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead.

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#7 - 2013-10-21 23:23:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Cynter DeVries wrote:


Part of the issue is that, in part, China uses estimates of power plant production to calculate GDP, and the coal plants are often ordered to certain levels of production regardless of need, in order to keep the GDP numbers up.


OHHH wozza if that is true smh violently Ugh


EDIT: I just thought about it for a second and it clicked we are so FUBAR it is not even funny if the above is true. The delicate world economy is balancing on China artificially inflating their economic strength by burning coal unnecessarily Shocked
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
#8 - 2013-10-22 03:36:52 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Cynter DeVries wrote:


Part of the issue is that, in part, China uses estimates of power plant production to calculate GDP, and the coal plants are often ordered to certain levels of production regardless of need, in order to keep the GDP numbers up.


OHHH wozza if that is true smh violently Ugh


EDIT: I just thought about it for a second and it clicked we are so FUBAR it is not even funny if the above is true. The delicate world economy is balancing on China artificially inflating their economic strength by burning coal unnecessarily Shocked

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it's worse than that: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2013/07/14/biggest-fib-of-the-year-china-gdp-grows-7-5-in-q2/

Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead.

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-10-22 12:11:49 UTC
miasma

such a fun word.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#10 - 2013-10-22 13:00:11 UTC
My country burns coal too, i know how smells this air. Especially in -4 degrees of celsius in the morning. The air is acrid poison.
Alara IonStorm
#11 - 2013-10-22 13:13:21 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
My country burns coal too, i know how smells this air. Especially in -4 degrees of celsius in the morning. The air is acrid poison.

You think that's bad, I live next to a nuclear power plant and that thing...

Doesn't do much actually. Just sits there quietly generating the power for this computer.

I'm sure it will kill us all though... any day now...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-10-22 13:32:40 UTC
Britain had this in the 60s

Its not powerstations alone, its the several million coal fires in homes. You effectivly have a controled forest fire in a mega city.
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-10-22 13:50:32 UTC
Nothing wrong with smog, puts hairs on your lungs! P

And yes... going to Shanghai and Beijing gives you the feeling after a while that youve smoked a pack of 20 unfiltered cigarettes and gargled sand.

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#14 - 2013-10-22 20:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Cynter DeVries wrote:


Part of the issue is that, in part, China uses estimates of power plant production to calculate GDP, and the coal plants are often ordered to certain levels of production regardless of need, in order to keep the GDP numbers up.


OHHH wozza if that is true smh violently Ugh


EDIT: I just thought about it for a second and it clicked we are so FUBAR it is not even funny if the above is true. The delicate world economy is balancing on China artificially inflating their economic strength by burning coal unnecessarily Shocked

Hey, this is like what they used to say about the Soviet Union's production quotas. If a factory had to produce 100,000 nails per month, they produced 100k tiny pins. If they had to produce 10 tons of nails, they produced one giant 10 ton one. Good to see this technique works in hyper-capitalist/Communist (or whatever it is) China as well!
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-10-23 02:12:54 UTC
Cynter DeVries wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Cynter DeVries wrote:


Part of the issue is that, in part, China uses estimates of power plant production to calculate GDP, and the coal plants are often ordered to certain levels of production regardless of need, in order to keep the GDP numbers up.


OHHH wozza if that is true smh violently Ugh


EDIT: I just thought about it for a second and it clicked we are so FUBAR it is not even funny if the above is true. The delicate world economy is balancing on China artificially inflating their economic strength by burning coal unnecessarily Shocked

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it's worse than that: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2013/07/14/biggest-fib-of-the-year-china-gdp-grows-7-5-in-q2/



Check the writer of that article: Gordon G. Chang - a regular contributor for none other than the Glenn Beck show - has been doom mongering about China for decades, it's his personal agenda and axe to grind, incorrectly predicting that China is on the brink of collapse, as detailed in his book "The Coming Collapse of China"... written back in 2001. And yet, for the last 12 years China has stubbornly refused to collapse, quite the contrary actually. Ooops.

Actually, China's GDP growth, after slowing down during Q1 and Q2 of 2013, has again picked up during Q3. And no, it's not simply due to coal plants being ordered to burn more coal.

China's big cities air quality have paid the price of growing too fast for the last couple decades, as traditionally China has relied too much on coal for its energy production - as was the problem in Britain back in the 60s - but that has been changing quickly over the last years.

Yes, Western media loves to report on these sort of horrid pollution stories. But not so keen to report that the Chinese government has been and is investing enormous amounts of money on switching the country away from coal as its primary energy source, to the point China is now the world's largest renewable energy producer. I'm seeing solar panels are being installed everywhere, even the most unlikely rural villages.

Yes, I've seen that same photo you posted above being passed around all over the interwebs, people seem to have some sort of morbid fascination for that sort of thing, don't they?. I do spend a lot of time in Beijing (I'm a Westerner though), and indeed there are days that look like that, very foggy. This leads people in the West to believe China must be some sort of fetid industrial wasteland, when actually Bejing is a surprisingly, green and well - tended, city (I took those photos myself inside Beijing), despite the quality of the air.

What the Western media doesn't seem to be so keen to report, is that right the next day Beijing may look like this. Of course, that wouldn't sell well as news to our disaster-obsessed collective of media consumers, would it? I took that photo, as well as this one and this one, while hiking around the hills that surround Beijing just on it's northwestern edge, a beautiful and clean environment. Quite unlike the experience I had trying to hike on the hills surrounding Los Angeles by the way, when I had to leave in disgust after seeing random garbage littering the whole damn place, and even graffiti on the f*cking rocks. The air may be bad, but you don't see that sort of thing in Beijing.


Lipbite
Express Hauler
#16 - 2013-10-23 16:23:10 UTC
There was similar smog in Russia after bog fires during 3 weeks in 2010 - back then amount of "additional" deaths in central regions exceeded 70 thousands (compared to 2009).

Can't imagine people actually *live* in such conditions every day.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#17 - 2013-10-23 18:08:22 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
There was similar smog in Russia after bog fires during 3 weeks in 2010 - back then amount of "additional" deaths in central regions exceeded 70 thousands (compared to 2009).

Can't imagine people actually *live* in such conditions every day.



Like William Gibson said....The future is here. It just isn't evenly distributed.

Most Russians outside of big cities have exactly 2 choices: burn coal, or buy clean fuel for a monthly price that matches their monthly mortgage. What would Kanye do ? Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#18 - 2013-10-23 22:05:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
An air pollution anecdote:

One morning a couple of years ago there was a strange smell all over the south (downtown) part of Manhattan. Kind of like propane or rotten eggs. Nobody could identify what substance caused it, or the source of the substance. Or somebody just wasn't saying.

Eventually though, the official word was that it was a giant methane bubble. It came out of the wetlands across the river in New Jersey. It was a big, big bubble. As big as all of lower Manhattan. Somehow, however improbably, that methane released itself as one giant belch the size of a few Hindenburgs, instead of percolating through the mud a little bubble at a time. It seems like that giant erupting bubble should have left a whole in the swamp a mile wide, but there was no evidence of that.

Anyway, New Jersey got offended. They felt they'd been falsely accused of being the source of a smelly gas smell. (I suppose anyone who's been similarly falsely accused-- which is probably about all of us-- can empathize with them). New Jersey official: "Why do you New York guys always blame everything on Jersey? You got no evidence."

That was the where the media coverage of the mysterious stink ended. I watched pretty closely for a while, but didn't see any investigations at all about the gas or the giant swamp bubble. This kind of random pollution stuff (unidentified drifting white powder, raw sewage overflow, burning synthetic fibers carpet warehouse, etc.) happens so much in NYC that nobody seems to really notice or care.
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
#19 - 2013-10-23 22:10:04 UTC
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:

Check the writer of that article: Gordon G. Chang - a regular contributor for none other than the Glenn Beck show - has been doom mongering about China for decades, it's his personal agenda and axe to grind, incorrectly predicting that China is on the brink of collapse, as detailed in his book "The Coming Collapse of China"... written back in 2001. And yet, for the last 12 years China has stubbornly refused to collapse, quite the contrary actually. Ooops.

Actually, China's GDP growth, after slowing down during Q1 and Q2 of 2013, has again picked up during Q3. And no, it's not simply due to coal plants being ordered to burn more coal.

China's big cities air quality have paid the price of growing too fast for the last couple decades, as traditionally China has relied too much on coal for its energy production - as was the problem in Britain back in the 60s - but that has been changing quickly over the last years.

Yes, Western media loves to report on these sort of horrid pollution stories. But not so keen to report that the Chinese government has been and is investing enormous amounts of money on switching the country away from coal as its primary energy source, to the point China is now the world's largest renewable energy producer. I'm seeing solar panels are being installed everywhere, even the most unlikely rural villages.

Yes, I've seen that same photo you posted above being passed around all over the interwebs, people seem to have some sort of morbid fascination for that sort of thing, don't they?. I do spend a lot of time in Beijing (I'm a Westerner though), and indeed there are days that look like that, very foggy. This leads people in the West to believe China must be some sort of fetid industrial wasteland, when actually Bejing is a surprisingly, green and well - tended, city (I took those photos myself inside Beijing), despite the quality of the air.

What the Western media doesn't seem to be so keen to report, is that right the next day Beijing may look like this. Of course, that wouldn't sell well as news to our disaster-obsessed collective of media consumers, would it? I took that photo, as well as this one and this one, while hiking around the hills that surround Beijing just on it's northwestern edge, a beautiful and clean environment. Quite unlike the experience I had trying to hike on the hills surrounding Los Angeles by the way, when I had to leave in disgust after seeing random garbage littering the whole damn place, and even graffiti on the f*cking rocks. The air may be bad, but you don't see that sort of thing in Beijing.

That article was the first to pop-up from a Google search.

My in-laws live in Beijing, so I get to hear many of the complaints. I also get to hear some of what is becoming a scandal for the government even in the state-controlled press there. Are there days when it is clearer? Like after a rain, or when the wind picks up enough to blow the pollution out? Certainly. But there are fewer and fewer of those days. Statistical incidence of respiratory ailments are on the rise.

When living there for two weeks, my in-laws would keep the window open. The apartment would need cleaning and dusting every other day, as all of the surfaces built up a film of dirt. When you (and by "you" I mean me) went outside, even on the seemingly clear days, you had to shower when you came back home because you'd be covered with a film of dirt. And "outside clothes" were not to touch the furniture. You had to change clothes to indoor garb.

My mother and father in-law wear masks to exercise outdoors.

China may be the biggest producer of solar panels and wind power equipment in the world. Perhaps they should try consuming this particular category of product.

Now, all that said, the air in Beijing looks like Newark in the 70s. China is trying (and mostly succeeding) to go through the entirety of 20th century industrialization in the space of 2 decades. They're letting their citizens pay the price, though.

Here's a non-Gordon-Chang article on the same GDP issue: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100967912

I have no idea if that guy has any connection to Beck because I never listen to / watch Glenn Beck

Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead.

Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-10-24 13:56:38 UTC
Cynter DeVries wrote:
When living there for two weeks, my in-laws would keep the window open. The apartment would need cleaning and dusting every other day, as all of the surfaces built up a film of dirt. When you (and by "you" I mean me) went outside, even on the seemingly clear days, you had to shower when you came back home because you'd be covered with a film of dirt. And "outside clothes" were not to touch the furniture. You had to change clothes to indoor garb.



I live in Beijing during a large part of the year, in all seasons, I have an apartment there. Of course there's an air pollution problem, but having to shower because "you'd be covered with a film of dirt" after going outside? Hell I go outside every damn day, I enjoy a lot walking and exercising all around (and I do it without wearing masks: aside from some days being foggy, the pollution is not noticeable to me in any way), and if it´s not too cold I keep my apartment windows open to let the fresh air in.

Either you enjoy frolicking around piles of coal, are some sort of ultra-sensitive being, or are simply making things up for whatever reason.


Cynter DeVries wrote:
China may be the biggest producer of solar panels and wind power equipment in the world. Perhaps they should try consuming this particular category of product.


Next time you are in China keep your eyes open, they are being installed everywhere.


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