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Character slots question

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Xavier Conrad
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-10-21 12:09:23 UTC
Are the two additional character slots that come with your subscription free or do you have to pay extra for those?
Also if I allow my kids to use them and they become pirates or renegades will their characters affect my character's standing and statuses?

Xavier Conrad
Bobinu
Unsober
Last Picks
#2 - 2013-10-21 12:15:49 UTC
Xavier,

No you dont have to pay for them, although in most normal circumstances you can only skill on toon at a time?

If those other characters become negaitve sec status, and deleting them may have consequences to your main.

Id personally create another account for your kids, using their own emails.

I also think account sharing is frowned upon.

Regards

Bob
Velicitia
XS Tech
#3 - 2013-10-21 12:31:33 UTC
1. Only one character on an account can be logged in at once (Dual Character Training or no).
2. Neg sec status is alright, though deleting the character to roll a new one is frowned upon (i.e. to avoid the penalties that come with neg sec status). I'd wager "-2.00" is the magic number, as you're not targeted anywhere (by NPCs) when you're above that.

3. Agree, I'd use a second (or third) account for kid, so they don't have to wait til you're done playing (or kick you off in the middle of a fight). "Kids" are the only time when "account sharing" is allowed -- since it's understood that the account holder is "the parent", as sub-13 (or was it 15?) year olds are not allowed to open an account in their own name.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Lilliana Stelles
#4 - 2013-10-21 12:40:10 UTC
The big issue is skill training. Unless you unlock dual character training, only one account can be trained at a time. This will come into conflict when you start training skills that take 30days+.

Also, EVE really isn't the most appropriate game for kids to fool around on. I've met a very few 13-14 year-olds online, but the average kid would find it more frustrating than anything else.

Not a forum alt. 
Tialano Utrigas
Running with Dogs
OnlyFleets.
#5 - 2013-10-21 14:04:06 UTC
I strongly suggest you get a feel for the game and, more importantly, the players before you subject your kids to this experience.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-10-21 14:40:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
No, if you PvP on your alts, your main's reputation/standings will not be affected. No need to blame it on "kids" either, piracy is completely normal and accepted way of living in EVE.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-10-21 15:20:41 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
No, if you PvP on your alts, your main's reputation/standings will not be affected. No need to blame it on "kids" either, piracy is completely normal and accepted way of living in EVE.
I'd add a caveat to that.

The actions of an alt have no direct "in-game" consequences to your main. However, many player corps demand an API key during the vetting process and this will allow them to learn about your alts. Depending on the corp, they may object to some of the actions your alts have done.
Baggo Hammers
#8 - 2013-10-21 16:27:22 UTC
No sharing accounts per EULA. One would be nuts to allow kids to play this game anyway.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#9 - 2013-10-21 16:42:12 UTC
Baggo Hammers wrote:
No sharing accounts per EULA. One would be nuts to allow kids to play this game anyway.


You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited.

"Minor" being defined as "13 years old, or younger". Granted, this isn't exactly the game for kids of that age (16/17 y.o. might be OK, and just lacking a CC)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Xavier Conrad
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-10-21 17:11:02 UTC
Thanks everyone for replying. Looks like the consensus is to not share the account and not let them play yet.
I have been on for a little over a year. I have played as well in the past.
My kids are 10 and 14. The 10 yr old wants to play the most. I know they will have a difficult time understanding the complexities of the game. I am still learning but I'm a lot better off than I was a year ago.
Thanks for the advice everyone.


Xavier
Lilliana Stelles
#11 - 2013-10-21 17:15:45 UTC
Xavier Conrad wrote:
Thanks everyone for replying. Looks like the consensus is to not share the account and not let them play yet.
I have been on for a little over a year. I have played as well in the past.
My kids are 10 and 14. The 10 yr old wants to play the most. I know they will have a difficult time understanding the complexities of the game. I am still learning but I'm a lot better off than I was a year ago.
Thanks for the advice everyone.


Xavier


I used to run highsec missions with a 14 year old corpmate. They were competent enough but didn't have a real understanding of the game beyond their pve bubble. When I lived in Stain there were a few kids in that age range in the alliance as well.

Ten years old would probably be a bit strange though. Not that they *couldn't* play, but I don't think they'd enjoy it at that age.

I'd set them up with trial accounts before anything else.

Not a forum alt. 
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2013-10-21 19:18:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-10-21 20:54:31 UTC
Well, while it is up to each and every parent how they want to raise their kids.

I would NOT allow my child to play eve unsupervised, because of the rest of us playing. profanity, bigotry, hatred etc isn't that uncommon on EVE, and while I don't think kids needs to be sheltered from everything (Personally I curse like a sailor, though I usually do it in Swedish and everyone around me just speaks English (well my husband has picked up some Swedish curses by now)), I know not everyone appreciates their kids seeing what can go on in local at times.

Heck I fully admit to having alts whos name some kids probably shouldnt read. *shrugs* just throwing it out there :)

of course some places are worse then others, I havent been much in highsec lately (for obvious reasons) but i know lowsec words such as f*ggot etc are very common in local. and.. well corp chat.. *whistles*
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#14 - 2013-10-22 10:40:24 UTC
You guys clearly have never heard game chat on things like xbox etc and these are kids doing all the cussing. Eve will be a step up in civilized society.

RL is not all peaches and rainbows. Kids are not fragile. They don't break that easily. And do you really think they are talking about sugar and spice and all things nice at school? On facebook? In their txts?

Eve is fine for kids. With the right guidance of course. Just like the rest of the internet.

Oh and 13-14 years old is hardly a kid anymore.

But i would have separate accounts for them. And you may want to see if they like it with the trail period. My daughter loves quake and those face paced FPS, but don't think she would like eve.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#15 - 2013-10-22 13:45:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Quote:
My kids are 10 and 14. The 10 yr old wants to play the most. I know they will have a difficult time understanding the complexities of the game. I am still learning but I'm a lot better off than I was a year ago.
Thanks for the advice everyone.


IMO the main thing to keep in mind with regards to your kids playing EVE isn't swearing or anything like that; it's that EVE is a relatively brutal, social game where adults can and will try to scam, steal from and destroy them. I don't know your ten year old but I doubt that's what he thinks the game is (hell, it's not what most adults think the game is). He's probably interested in the run-around-in-space-pewpew-pirates aspect (at least I would have been at that age). Maybe look at Freelancer or X3 (The latter being the more complicated of the options)?
Jade Marbles
Marble Ventures
#16 - 2013-10-22 14:03:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Marbles
Xavier Conrad wrote:
I know they will have a difficult time understanding the complexities of the game.

It's not so much about the complexities.

I'm unaware of the fields you dabble in in EVE, but the local banter, player interaction and harshness/disrespect and such - which is unavoidable - is found in exceptionally explicit fashion, something you shouldn't consciously expose your young'uns to.

Consider that first before you consider the learning curve of EVE.
Delt0r Garsk wrote:

RL is not all peaches and rainbows. Kids are not fragile. They don't break that easily. And do you really think they are talking about sugar and spice and all things nice at school? On facebook? In their txts?

Oh and 13-14 years old is hardly a kid anymore.


I don't agree that just because it happens all around you that it's 'okay' to exposing them to EVE's rude nature.
People fight on the streets, rob each other blind, cross friends and swear and curse everywhere, that's a fact.

But that shouldn't stop you from minimizing the incoming trash your kids will take in.
What happens outdoors, happens outdoors, it's hard to control.
But you teach your children values, respect and proper behaviour whenever you can.
And that's also done by setting examples.

That, my friend, is called parenting.