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Jenshae Chiroptera
#61 - 2011-11-17 13:30:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Wait let me get this right?

You complain that:

- one group is almost monopolising 0.0
- that you can't get a monopoly easily.

Logic?

Edit: The galaxy is too big to allow one or a few people gain monopolies. Learn to wage economic warfare; the Japanese can teach you loads.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
#62 - 2011-11-17 13:31:45 UTC
Silent Lamb wrote:
walls upon walls of very bitter, arrogant, elitist, rambling drivel

Dude. Quit the game asap. You clearly had way too much of it. Consider visiting a psychologist. I'm serious.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#63 - 2011-11-17 13:40:59 UTC
Silent Lamb wrote:
... I am pissed that EVE is idiot friendly. I am pissed I don't have monopolies... I am pissed that EVE has an incredibly level playing field... I am pissed at these things.EVE didn't start with it...



tl;dr: I am bittervet, hear me whine.

I read every line of all your posts in this thread and could not manage to find a lick of sympathy for you, sorry. Perhaps it is time for you to move on and try vainly to win a different game that has no "I Win" condition.

In the event that you do, perchance, would you consider contracting me your stuffs?


I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Silent Lamb
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2011-11-17 13:41:37 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Wait let me get this right?

You complain that:

- one group is almost monopolising 0.0
- that you can't get a monopoly easily.

Logic?

Edit: The galaxy is too big to allow one or a few people gain monopolies. Learn to wage economic warfare; the Japanese can teach you loads.


you've obviously not read the vast majority of my posts. I am complaining that obtaining monopolies in game is not possible anymore, which is true. it took me 2 and a half years to obtain an 80% effective control over all regional markets, I sustained it for just over 2 years, and then CCP removed the ability to have monopolies from the game. this didn't happen recently, but several years ago. Every time I get an upper hand that I can manipulate to completely outstrip nearly everyone else CCP negates it, while offering less and less to replace it with until we have today, where the older players can quite literally do nothing to maintain an effective control. if you were aware of current 0.0 politics (or lack of) you'd realize it's in far more chaos than ever, with nearly no organized method of anything. the entire game is in chaos. you have craploads of people all over quitting! over the summer CCP lost approx 8% of their subscribers, and most of them were not the indy pilots who whined about GS invading Gallante high sec, they were valid long-time players who got sick and tired of always being nerfed to the point where it wasn't worth it to have the skills they trained all at level 5.

MaiLina KaTar said "Dude. Quit the game asap. You clearly had way too much of it."

again, if you (like several others) had read all my posts you'd have read that I've already unsubbed all my accounts. as I pay for them in yearly subscriptions a few of them have 7 to 10 months left of being active.

that said, I will not be re-subscribing until EVE has some semblance of a game that isn't out of control and going to ultimately fail.

Where are they taking the hobbits?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=VznlDlNPw4Q

Nex apparatu5
Blackwood Co.
#65 - 2011-11-17 13:55:00 UTC
Silent Lamb wrote:

lol..... try 9 monitors, 7 for EVE while having 12 towers and the additional 2 laptops for when i'm not at home and need multiple computers. I program for the US DoD.... I would never have a setup that small or laughable


Silent Lamb wrote:
I have 4 trillion isk, and 800b liquid


Silent Lamb wrote:
I make too much money (in RL) for my own good.


Silent Lamb wrote:
it gets old when you're one of the incredibly few on your level...I still am on top in almost every aspect of the game


Back the **** up, we have an internet superhero here guys. Just disregard the fact that he's in an NPC corp, and has never been in a player corp.

Also, I am a Billionaire Superhero who runs the CIA IRL, and literally run TEST.

Proof? Who needs that when you have walls of text?
Silent Lamb
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2011-11-17 13:59:42 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Silent Lamb wrote:

lol..... try 9 monitors, 7 for EVE while having 12 towers and the additional 2 laptops for when i'm not at home and need multiple computers. I program for the US DoD.... I would never have a setup that small or laughable


Silent Lamb wrote:
I have 4 trillion isk, and 800b liquid


Silent Lamb wrote:
I make too much money (in RL) for my own good.


Silent Lamb wrote:
it gets old when you're one of the incredibly few on your level...I still am on top in almost every aspect of the game


Back the **** up, we have an internet superhero here guys. Just disregard the fact that he's in an NPC corp, and has never been in a player corp.

Also, I am a Billionaire Superhero who runs the CIA IRL, and literally run TEST.

Proof? Who needs that when you have walls of text?


if you have any knowledge of EVE's past you can take the data I give in here and figure out who exactly I am in game. If you take the time to do that and realize who I am in game you'll understand why I use this toon so much as a 'common' face for most things I do out of game.

Where are they taking the hobbits?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=VznlDlNPw4Q

MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
#67 - 2011-11-17 14:06:03 UTC
Silent Lamb wrote:
again, if you (like several others) had read all my posts you'd have read that I've already unsubbed all my accounts. as I pay for them in yearly subscriptions a few of them have 7 to 10 months left of being active.

that said, I will not be re-subscribing until EVE has some semblance of a game that isn't out of control and going to ultimately fail.

You should never resubsribe ever to any MMOG, regardless of what happens.

I mean seriously... visit a psychodoc. Have you even read the mass drivel you threw down in here within these few hours? I have. It's the typical gibberish uttered by people with serious addiction issues. I'm not even kidding and it may not even get through to you, but whatever. Talk to a psychologist, and don't ever play this game or any other MMO, again.
Nex apparatu5
Blackwood Co.
#68 - 2011-11-17 14:07:53 UTC
Silent Lamb wrote:
Nex apparatu5 wrote:


Back the **** up, we have an internet superhero here guys. Just disregard the fact that he's in an NPC corp, and has never been in a player corp.

Also, I am a Billionaire Superhero who runs the CIA IRL, and literally run TEST.

Proof? Who needs that when you have walls of text?


if you have any knowledge of EVE's past you can take the data I give in here and figure out who exactly I am in game. If you take the time to do that and realize who I am in game you'll understand why I use this toon so much as a 'common' face for most things I do out of game.

I can say I'm a lawyer who retired to play EVE because I'm so baller IRL, but that doesn't make me Mittens. How about some screenshots of this isk you have?

Also, the way I can tell you're not successful IRL is you talk too much about it. I know a guy who actually has real money, and he hates talking about his success. His family didn't even know until he donated a significant chunk of money to his alma mater.
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2011-11-17 14:08:15 UTC
I thought they lost those 8% over the summer due to incarna and NeX. Not to ship nerfing. But what do I know.

But. Having a change in the playerbase is in the long run a good thing. It keeps the playing field fresh. How do you think the game would be if everyone had a 100M SP character and all flying around in titans. With each having a monopoly in something. That would be boring in my opinion.

Althou if the game was as is was in its start those titan players would be flying around in frigates.

The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Wardecs Without Borders
#70 - 2011-11-17 14:12:13 UTC
Silent Lamb wrote:
someone made a claim I hadn't made valid points to state that EVE is WoWifying... in WoW, everyone has the ability to get on equal footing within a short amount of time. I've said various things on how new players and idiots can get on similar footing in less time than the older players have taken in different parts of my posts over my posts in this topic. if you haven't seen them yet it's because you haven't read my posts yet.


New players NEED to be able to feel like they're catching up, or they'll leave. Simple as that. If "the top" is forever unattainable to those of us who didn't start in the first year of the game, we'll leave. So making the game favor people based on how long they've been playing is a recipe for a slow death for Eve.

As for Eve being idiot-friendly: it's not. Idiots still get scammed, ganked, conned, and demolished by smarter players.

I have voiced concerns about some recent actions by CCP that reflect a *short-term* lack of balance in the way they are handling game mechanics, but it's something I expect will stop short of anything game-ruining and hope will be fixed properly in the coming months. CCP has been scrambling to do things quickly to save face after Incarna, and that haste is resulting in some sloppy work.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2011-11-17 14:15:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Boris Ginnungagap wrote:
Silent Lamb wrote:

Over the years EVE has gotten more and more idiot friendly.

I don't think so.


I pretty much quit reading the OP at that sentence. Right then and there it became an "idiot whine".

For the love of god...I have been playing (not with this character) since day 1 when EvE launched. I hardly consider myself a "bittervet". I certainly don't complain about stupid **** such as this thread.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#72 - 2011-11-17 14:17:54 UTC
Silent Lamb wrote:
what I'm saying is that the older players don't have the advantages they did before, lessening our effectiveness and decreasing our power in relation to the new players
Good.
That means EVE still is able to offer something different from everything else, and in particular, avoids one of the greatest hurdles for getting new people to join in an old game.
Quote:
What I feel they should not do, however, is destroy the efforts of the older players who worked their 4$$3$ off to get to the point they are at just to have a new player click a few things and then be right at their level. that in my opinion is wrong.
Fun fact: it takes a fair bit more than that for new players to get to the same point.
Quote:
Every time I get an upper hand that I can manipulate to completely outstrip nearly everyone else CCP negates it, while offering less and less to replace it with until we have today, where the older players can quite literally do nothing to maintain an effective control
This is a good thing. Older players are just old — there is nothing special about them that should let them have some special “effective control” over others.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Wardecs Without Borders
#73 - 2011-11-17 14:21:07 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
I guess its time for oldtimers to leave their place to the new generation... ?


Is this where we tell them to get the hell out of our galaxy?

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Silent Lamb
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2011-11-17 14:24:24 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Also, the way I can tell you're not successful IRL is you talk too much about it. I know a guy who actually has real money, and he hates talking about his success. His family didn't even know until he donated a significant chunk of money to his alma mater.


I love my RL success. I like bragging about it. I like proving people wrong. I like actually being envied and hated at the same time because I make things blatantly obvious that I am effectively better than them. I do go on power trips, and I do have an addiction to power. I fully acknowledge this and am fully aware of this. I enjoy having enough to do quite literally everything I want to do. While being an asshat I still have 'some' compassion. many of the people I play Warhammer: 40,000 with who are over intelligent and under employed have received quite literally hundreds of dollars of new models because I took compassion on them and bought them with my money while asking for nothing in return. I also have no family, no kids, and other than car insurance, health insurance, gas money, food, utilities, and taxes, I effectively have no bills. I own my house, own my car, and when I say that I mean I don't owe anything on them. I don't have the biggest house, but I don't need it. I don't drive a Porsche, but I don't really care about cars. I have sweet computers with probably one of the most expensive setups you'll ever come across (minus Bill Gate's of course). I have what I want, need, and way more than that. I give regularly to Toys for Tots (about 1 to 2 K a year), I've paid for several people's transportation and lodging to various conventions, tourneys, etc... I'm not entirely selfish out of game... and I really love rubbing success in people's faces. but ultimately, this topic isn't about my RL, nor what I currently can/can not do in EVE, it's about CCP nerfing and deleting literally everything that made it worth while to spend years in EVE.

Where are they taking the hobbits?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=VznlDlNPw4Q

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Wardecs Without Borders
#75 - 2011-11-17 14:28:36 UTC
Silent Lamb wrote:
My chosen style of game play is to monopolize things.

And you're complaining that CCP, in an attempt to attract new players, has prevented a handful of people from monopolizing everything.

Are you even thinking this stuff through before you type it? Do you REALLY think that you should be able to just arbitrarily "own" a market?

What I cut out was a long-winded rant about how invention means you can't own all the T2 BPOs for something and then set the prices however you want. What I find patently absurd is that you think there should only BE a fixed number of T2 blueprints which you can control.

Instead of unsubbing, start over. Make a new character and don't give it anything from your others. Play a single toon starting from scratch for six months. You'll find out just how good you have it.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#76 - 2011-11-17 14:30:25 UTC
Silent Lamb wrote:

you've obviously not read the vast majority of my post(S!!!). I am complaining that obtaining monopolies in game is not possible anymore, which is true. it took me 2 and a half years to obtain an 80% effective control over all regional markets, I sustained it for just over 2 years, and then CCP removed the ability to have monopolies from the game. ...


Posts? I am not your fan girl. Put the relevant information in the first post of your thread even if it means editing it. We can see the edit history.

Mmmm ... bitter-vet tears better than super cap tears? Twisted

Can you not see what is wrong with your statement and why CCP would change it? Straight

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#77 - 2011-11-17 14:32:53 UTC
Silent Lamb wrote:
it's about CCP nerfing and deleting literally everything that made it worth while to spend years in EVE.
Or, more accurately, about buffing and adding things that make it worth spedning years in EVE.

You see, while you have some interesting points, the whole thing goes completely off the rails the second you tie any of this to “older players“. Drop that silly and irrelevant detail and re-write your post, and you might actually start to have something to complain about.
Silent Lamb
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2011-11-17 14:34:56 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Silent Lamb wrote:
My chosen style of game play is to monopolize things.

And you're complaining that CCP, in an attempt to attract new players, has prevented a handful of people from monopolizing everything.

Are you even thinking this stuff through before you type it? Do you REALLY think that you should be able to just arbitrarily "own" a market?

What I cut out was a long-winded rant about how invention means you can't own all the T2 BPOs for something and then set the prices however you want. What I find patently absurd is that you think there should only BE a fixed number of T2 blueprints which you can control.

Instead of unsubbing, start over. Make a new character and don't give it anything from your others. Play a single toon starting from scratch for six months. You'll find out just how good you have it.


I was using the t2 bpos as an example. there still are a very limited amount of T2 bpos, which I do take advantage of considering I have quite a few. that said... I am dumbstruck that there are 'industrialists' that willingly spend hundreds of millions of isk on 1 ship just to get a measly 2 to 5 mil isk profit. it isn't just the market, it is all aspects of EVE. every single one. and I've given examples to most of these aspects in various posts in this thread. if you want to find all of them you can read them. also, considering my style of play is to monopolize things, and it's literally impossible to do that, and has been for a few years, why would I start over instead of leave? if I were to start a new toon, I'd end up in the same situation I am now.... which is 'CCP took away the ability to have monopolies, and then nerfed/negated/removed everything that made older players able to possess an 'effective control'.

Where are they taking the hobbits?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=VznlDlNPw4Q

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2011-11-17 14:35:53 UTC
Silent Lamb wrote:
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Also, the way I can tell you're not successful IRL is you talk too much about it. I know a guy who actually has real money, and he hates talking about his success. His family didn't even know until he donated a significant chunk of money to his alma mater.


I love my RL success. I like bragging about it. I like proving people wrong. I like actually being envied and hated at the same time because I make things blatantly obvious that I am effectively better than them. I do go on power trips, and I do have an addiction to power. I fully acknowledge this and am fully aware of this. I enjoy having enough to do quite literally everything I want to do. While being an asshat I still have 'some' compassion. many of the people I play Warhammer: 40,000 with who are over intelligent and under employed have received quite literally hundreds of dollars of new models because I took compassion on them and bought them with my money while asking for nothing in return. I also have no family, no kids, and other than car insurance, health insurance, gas money, food, utilities, and taxes, I effectively have no bills. I own my house, own my car, and when I say that I mean I don't owe anything on them. I don't have the biggest house, but I don't need it. I don't drive a Porsche, but I don't really care about cars. I have sweet computers with probably one of the most expensive setups you'll ever come across (minus Bill Gate's of course). I have what I want, need, and way more than that. I give regularly to Toys for Tots (about 1 to 2 K a year), I've paid for several people's transportation and lodging to various conventions, tourneys, etc... I'm not entirely selfish out of game... and I really love rubbing success in people's faces. but ultimately, this topic isn't about my RL, nor what I currently can/can not do in EVE, it's about CCP nerfing and deleting literally everything that made it worth while to spend years in EVE.


The short version of this is "I am a douchebag".

In my experience, people that say things like this are the people that are fat, lazy, jobless, single and still living in mom's basement.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

Jenshae Chiroptera
#80 - 2011-11-17 14:38:04 UTC
Silent Lamb wrote:
... I am dumbstruck that there are 'industrialists' that willingly spend hundreds of millions of isk on 1 ship just to get a measly 2 to 5 mil isk profit. ...


Volume. Sounds like you are behind the times.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.