EVE General Discussion

So, you were making assumptions about my intentions and in turn, misrepresenting my position by misunderstanding, ignoring or failing to read the OP?

GD in a nutshell. Don't worry, I'm not surprised, but you should really take a look at my killboard. It's not great, but on closer inspection you'll see that I'm not concerned about CONCORD myself.

I would also like to point out that many people in NPC corps are veterans who for whatever reason don't want to deal with having a player run corp (awoxing and corp theft come to mind).

Often these veterans are the only people who interact with the newbies and give them advice. So its a kind of circular kind of thinking.

Actually I know a lose base of players who congregate on a team speak server that I frequent who interact all the time, but yet chose to either remain in NPC corps or their one man corps. Mostly because even though we know each other, some of us have a bad habbit of cleaning out the corp wallet and corp hanger so none of us trust each other that much. We are willing to run missions, mining ops, and sometimes go to low or null for poops and giggles.

That said, I heard the NPC corp Center for Advance studies runs null sec roams. And I know a few gankers who hang out in NPC corps.

Why does it double post me when I push "Edit"? This is not the first time this has happened to me either

I have actually addressed that, in the OP. If you failed to read it, or misunderstood it, please read it again. If you still don't understand, let me know and I will clarify.

Here's a hint, though, a question if you will to mirror your own, and hopefully provide that clarity with a little more simplicity.

Why do people pay to go sky diving, or bungie jumping?

This is a good idea, a practical idea that I like. I don't multibox myself, so my own options are limited in this regard, but I can see how it would work for others.

And please, in future, read posts before even considering yourself qualified to comment. Anything else is jumping to conclusions, even if your conclusion is correct. At least you have the decency to admit it and take a step back though, cheers, I appreciate that.

Sorry, but I'm a professional troll on some nights. Others I am sane and logical. Sometimes I am both.

I've gotten a few threads locked. Though I have never been banned or warned.

certainly an interesting topic to see,

With regards to the suggestions made in the OP, the tax one would simply fail. The biggest reason is, although a large chunk of the profit to mission running comes from bounties, there is another large chunk that comes from looting and salvaging the wrecks. Plus LP conversion.

The other idea for players to transfer to a special npc corp is a better idea than you give credit for. Each race would get one and you are transferred to your own race's npc corp. These npc corps still wouldn't be able to be war dec'ed by player corps/allies but instead, they would be in a constant 4-way war with each other.

Being in one wouldn't automatically make you an enemy with the other faction's navies, so you can still roam around and work for other agents.

The biggest problem is that, unless it has changed, you start the game and start with the tutorial missions. Eventually you end up doing a mission where some pirate npc talks to you and offers riches if you go work for the pirate factions.

So what does a new player do? Set a course, and is lucky to even make it as far as null without getting blown up by another player.

How much they think "**** that" and work out of hi-sec?

This game as a steep enough learning curve for better or worse (though we would like to think it's for the better). Even if they try to ease into it...well, there is no easing into it. The moment you cross from .5 to .4, you just jumped into the deep end.

Hell, I wonder how many new players quit after being isk scammed or join a corp that said they would help them out only to be baited instead?

I think it would be better if hi-sec meant .1 to 1.0 and low-sec meant -.1 to -1.0. Make the sec status mean more than what it currently does. Allow people to increase the risk level incrementally.

Hell, I can only imagine how many more people would be more comfortable to put themselves into riskier situations if they felt more sure of themselves. Allow them to do so. Look at dueling. Nice thought but leave it to CCP to make it 'to the death'. On top of that, someone you duel can bring in a logi alt. Nothing stopping interference, at which the point of dueling is completely lost.

Good luck with coming up with any incentive to make yourself vulnerable to wardecs.

11% tax rate isn't enough to get people out of npc corps, about the only way to do it is completely ruin the experience. We already have to deal with no-life suicide gankers, opening up to war targets just isn't going to happen for a lot of players.

And don't talk about comfort zones as if it's just hi sec. You want to talk comfort zones, go look at the resource siphon discussion thread. Lets talk about how to get the null sec empire carebears out of their comfort zones.

Pay attention, because I'm only going over this once more for your advantage. I never mentioned high sec, not once. I never mentioned low or nul. I am talking about NPC corporations. I didn't talk about comfort zones as if it was just high sec, you're the one assuming that I did.

And please qualify your assertion that suicide gankers have no life. I'm detecting an unreasonable amount of hostility and butthurt from you that may be clouding your ability to form rational thoughts and participate in reasonable discussion.

it doesn't help to have players feel like they have to be in an player corp though. if they're carebearing in an NPC corp they'll just join a carebear corp and have no one to show them other aspects of the game.

at least in an NPC corp they are free to try out all manner of gameplay styles without their individual behaviour impacting the group as a whole which is really the value of them.