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Aggression timer for interdiction probes

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Marwen DeGaulle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-10-17 17:45:15 UTC
When an interdictor launches a bubble and someone tries to warp away said interdictor should draw an aggression timer.

If I agress a dictor on the gate and he launches a bubble and I try to warp away he should also then be agressed. It's wrong that he can affect my ship with impunity and be able to jump through a gate.

If he launches a bubble and no one tries to warp then obviously no timer should be applied.
Acid Skull
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-10-17 17:49:28 UTC
Marwen DeGaulle wrote:
When an interdictor launches a bubble and someone tries to warp away said interdictor should draw an aggression timer.

If I agress a dictor on the gate and he launches a bubble and I try to warp away he should also then be agressed. It's wrong that he can affect my ship with impunity and be able to jump through a gate.

If he launches a bubble and no one tries to warp then obviously no timer should be applied.


I thought this was going to be implamented, but I've also seen this, where people have initated warp in a bubble, (which should have aggressed the Light DIctor), and they've been able to jump through the gate.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-10-17 20:45:21 UTC
...Isn't that how it already works? I've scared off dictors playing station games by agressing them like this.
Acid Skull
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-10-17 20:46:49 UTC
That's what I though to, meh might try it on test server tonight just to be sure.
Marwen DeGaulle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-10-19 04:50:19 UTC
Tested this tonight on Tranquility. Same results. Light interdictor bubbles on station I try to warp off, light interdictor receives no aggression timer.

Is this just broken? or is it a 'feature'?
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-10-19 05:14:01 UTC
Marwen DeGaulle wrote:
Tested this tonight on Tranquility. Same results. Light interdictor bubbles on station I try to warp off, light interdictor receives no aggression timer.

Is this just broken? or is it a 'feature'?


Just another totally undocumented change from CCP. As someone who flies Sabres all the time I do enjoy this change, since Sabres are basically incapable of surviving on grid with 90% of combat ships now. Being able to bubble and jump is nice, and it doesn't really break the ability to burn back to a gate to escape a gatecamp unless the dictor is double-bubble fit (you can't aggress them anymore by spamming warp in their bubble when you jump out, but unless you've taken a really long time to get back to the gate they won't be able to drop a bubble on you when they follow you through anyway due to the launcher cooldown).

My friend and I were super puzzled too when we discovered this: we crashed a gate and "aggressed the dictor" only to have it follow us through. Honestly though with dictors essentially not receiving any kind of a buff (yeah, I know, the non-Sabres will all see buffs, but the Sabre won't and honestly who doesn't fly Sabres outside major fleet ops at this point?) I think this change is for the best: I'd rather have dictors that are useful than be able to aggress dictors for extra security when crashing gatecamps.

Also, it occurred to me that CCP may have implemented this change to prevent the aggression of people who drop anchorable bubbles. Ok, let's be realistic: they probably broke it completely unintentionally because they're bad, but we did have a situation a few months ago where someone had an alt blown up that they'd used to drop a bubble-- some clever person parked a covops alt in the bubble and spammed warp for hours until the bubble owner decided to log out, then probed their ship down. Then again, I guess this wouldn't be possible anymore since aggression timers have a graphical display in people's clients now, but back before the aggro timers it was a pretty lame way to get killed.
Johann Rascali
The Milkmen
Sedition.
#7 - 2013-10-19 05:51:36 UTC
I believe it got changed back when the whinefest over the addition of an aggro timer for just dropping a bubble yoyo'd the feature back and forth between patches.

Blanking signatures doesn't seem to work, so this is here.

Octoven
Stellar Production
#8 - 2013-10-19 06:51:44 UTC
idk how I feel about this. I think light dictors shouldnt get aggro for dropping bubbles. The idea here is to make a ship that is both fast, agile, and deadly (bubblewise). By placing a aggro timer on them you force them to be less responsive. HICs aren't designed to be all over the place, they center the bubble around them. I think if you take a flycatcher for example. It makes sense to me that it should be able to launch a bubble...jump gate and launch there too. You deploy fast and easily. Given that probes have what...2 minute timers? You take off a minute and your bubble is only effective for one minute while you jump through to launch on the other side. HICs aren't restricted with those bubble times.

Anyway, thats just my opinion. I think leaving the aggro timer off makes them more appealing rather than just using HICs every time.
Marwen DeGaulle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-10-19 19:37:30 UTC
Octoven wrote:
idk how I feel about this. I think light dictors shouldnt get aggro for dropping bubbles. The idea here is to make a ship that is both fast, agile, and deadly (bubblewise). By placing a aggro timer on them you force them to be less responsive. HICs aren't designed to be all over the place, they center the bubble around them. I think if you take a flycatcher for example. It makes sense to me that it should be able to launch a bubble...jump gate and launch there too. You deploy fast and easily. Given that probes have what...2 minute timers? You take off a minute and your bubble is only effective for one minute while you jump through to launch on the other side. HICs aren't restricted with those bubble times.

Anyway, thats just my opinion. I think leaving the aggro timer off makes them more appealing rather than just using HICs every time.



Can you explain how an aggression timer forces them to be less responsive?

I agree that a flycatcher should be able launch a bubble, jump and bubble the other side. But only if a ship doesn't try to warp away before the interdictor jumps. The pilot is committing to a chance of affecting another ship in an aggressive manner. Why an aggression timer and the consequences that go with it aren't applicable is wrong in my opinion