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Vas Eldryn
#1 - 2013-10-19 03:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Vas Eldryn
Just was thinking of a smaller carrier... much like, in modern navys, the America class, Wasp class, Canberra class, HMS ocean, etc. Classified as assault carriers, or amphibious assault ships they are notably smaller then carriers, but fill a vital role.

being smaller, more mobile and with less offensive capabilities (maybe having drones instead of fighters. with a rorqual like bonus), but retaining hangers / maintenance bays, but being cheaper and more mobile, it could be utilized by smaller forces or roles where a carrier may be to risky.

I haven't thought of any additional roles these could fill other then that of a mini-carrier, but there may be something that could be added to make it fit a unique role?

Just a random thought and not thought all the way through, feel free to criticize.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-10-19 03:25:42 UTC
Dominix

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Vas Eldryn
#3 - 2013-10-19 03:28:00 UTC
the dominix is a BS and doesn't have hangers / maintenance bays and cant really fit the role of an assault carrier.
Sarah Stallman
Pen2 Logistics
#4 - 2013-10-19 03:41:21 UTC
If you want a Wasp or Iwo Jima class equivalent in EVE, it will be heavily tied in to DUST. After all, the assault carriers you mentioned don't launch air superiority like the big ones do, they exist for the sole purpose of getting Marine boots on the ground.
Vas Eldryn
#5 - 2013-10-19 03:43:29 UTC
yeah I thought of that... though I don't have a PS3 and know very little about dust, so I couldn't really comment on that.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#6 - 2013-10-19 04:05:17 UTC
I'm not really sure how a mini carrier that possesses no distinctive advantage over a traditional carrier would be worth making. I get the feeling you're seeking a super domi.
Malcolm Malicious
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2013-10-19 04:23:15 UTC
The Nestor.
Adam Zalonis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-19 04:40:53 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
I'm not really sure how a mini carrier that possesses no distinctive advantage over a traditional carrier would be worth making. I get the feeling you're seeking a super domi.



Why not? A series of tech 2 subcapital drone carriers which can field 10 heavy drones or sentries, with an Orca sized ship maintenance bay and no hardpoints could fill a niche in smaller corps. I don't see a need for this to have a jumpdrive, since I think its primary role would be as support for small corps stepping into static hisec wormholes for the first time. That, and as a logistics platform for large remote reppers, shield transporters, etc.
Vas Eldryn
#9 - 2013-10-19 04:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Vas Eldryn
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
I'm not really sure how a mini carrier that possesses no distinctive advantage over a traditional carrier would be worth making. I get the feeling you're seeking a super domi.


not really... I was just looking at ships in EVE comparing them to the naval ships they are named after, noticing that a couple that where left out... I mean I can see the reason that the corvette was left out.. As it's smaller then a frigate, and the amphibious assault ship, which actually is a very important ship in modern times.

Looking at ship roles they don't really mimic real life ships... As in real life a battleship would annihilate a Dreadnought for example.... I just thought that a assault carrier is a class of ship that is not really in the line-up... thought it'd be worth a look at.

And yes I realize that it, in real life would be a marine landing / support vessel, maybe it could fulfill a role there... or as well as you say a super-domi? I wasn't trying to draw any lines on what the ship could be, just thinking out loud I guess.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-10-19 05:07:43 UTC
Adam Zalonis wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
I'm not really sure how a mini carrier that possesses no distinctive advantage over a traditional carrier would be worth making. I get the feeling you're seeking a super domi.



Why not? A series of tech 2 subcapital drone carriers which can field 10 heavy drones or sentries, with an Orca sized ship maintenance bay and no hardpoints could fill a niche in smaller corps. I don't see a need for this to have a jumpdrive, since I think its primary role would be as support for small corps stepping into static hisec wormholes for the first time. That, and as a logistics platform for large remote reppers, shield transporters, etc.



No, it's primary role would be a 1600 DPS AFK Ratter.
Vas Eldryn
#11 - 2013-10-19 05:14:08 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Adam Zalonis wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
I'm not really sure how a mini carrier that possesses no distinctive advantage over a traditional carrier would be worth making. I get the feeling you're seeking a super domi.



Why not? A series of tech 2 subcapital drone carriers which can field 10 heavy drones or sentries, with an Orca sized ship maintenance bay and no hardpoints could fill a niche in smaller corps. I don't see a need for this to have a jumpdrive, since I think its primary role would be as support for small corps stepping into static hisec wormholes for the first time. That, and as a logistics platform for large remote reppers, shield transporters, etc.



No, it's primary role would be a 1600 DPS AFK Ratter.


1600DPS... on a purely hypothetical ship... where did you come up with this number?
Vas Eldryn
#12 - 2013-10-19 05:24:27 UTC
Adam Zalonis wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
I'm not really sure how a mini carrier that possesses no distinctive advantage over a traditional carrier would be worth making. I get the feeling you're seeking a super domi.



Why not? A series of tech 2 subcapital drone carriers which can field 10 heavy drones or sentries, with an Orca sized ship maintenance bay and no hardpoints could fill a niche in smaller corps. I don't see a need for this to have a jumpdrive, since I think its primary role would be as support for small corps stepping into static hisec wormholes for the first time. That, and as a logistics platform for large remote reppers, shield transporters, etc.


Just been thinking... maybe, since the marauder is getting a bastion mode... maybe it could slot in as a T2 super-domi type with a deployment mode? it wouldn't make it a great ratter, but then again just a thought. As long as it keeps some small group support aspects.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2013-10-19 05:31:10 UTC
Vas Eldryn wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Adam Zalonis wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
I'm not really sure how a mini carrier that possesses no distinctive advantage over a traditional carrier would be worth making. I get the feeling you're seeking a super domi.



Why not? A series of tech 2 subcapital drone carriers which can field 10 heavy drones or sentries, with an Orca sized ship maintenance bay and no hardpoints could fill a niche in smaller corps. I don't see a need for this to have a jumpdrive, since I think its primary role would be as support for small corps stepping into static hisec wormholes for the first time. That, and as a logistics platform for large remote reppers, shield transporters, etc.



No, it's primary role would be a 1600 DPS AFK Ratter.


1600DPS... on a purely hypothetical ship... where did you come up with this number?



Double the DPS of the current five drone droneboats. Simple enough.

Imagine the drone assist doctrines with something like this.
Vas Eldryn
#14 - 2013-10-19 05:37:42 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Vas Eldryn wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Adam Zalonis wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
I'm not really sure how a mini carrier that possesses no distinctive advantage over a traditional carrier would be worth making. I get the feeling you're seeking a super domi.



Why not? A series of tech 2 subcapital drone carriers which can field 10 heavy drones or sentries, with an Orca sized ship maintenance bay and no hardpoints could fill a niche in smaller corps. I don't see a need for this to have a jumpdrive, since I think its primary role would be as support for small corps stepping into static hisec wormholes for the first time. That, and as a logistics platform for large remote reppers, shield transporters, etc.



No, it's primary role would be a 1600 DPS AFK Ratter.


1600DPS... on a purely hypothetical ship... where did you come up with this number?



Double the DPS of the current five drone droneboats. Simple enough.

Imagine the drone assist doctrines with something like this.


ahh ok... sorry, didn't read the quoted post well enough, I'm just kind of thinking out loud though on where a ship like this could fit in?
Shivanthar
#15 - 2013-10-19 06:24:43 UTC
Vas Eldryn wrote:
Just was thinking of a smaller carrier... much like, in modern navies, the America class, Wasp class, Canberra class, HMS ocean, etc. Classified as assault carriers, or amphibious assault ships they are notably smaller then carriers, but fill a vital role.

being smaller, more mobile and with less offensive capabilities (maybe having drones instead of fighters. with a rorqual like bonus), but retaining hangers / maintenance bays, but being cheaper and more mobile, it could be utilized by smaller forces or roles where a carrier may be to risky.

I haven't thought of any additional roles these could fill other then that of a mini-carrier, but there may be something that could be added to make it fit a unique role?

Just a random thought and not thought all the way through, feel free to criticize.


I liked the idea! +1

I would like to see a subcapital (or smaller capital) ships that can only launch 5 fighters/bombers at most.
This will be more meaningful for those who want to play with fighter/drones in pvp, but has lesser bank for paying stuff.
If it is let as a subcapital, then high-sec wardecs or high-sec pvp as general, will meet the fighters/bombers, which would be a very interesting aspect.

In contrast, I'm not keen at the idea of 10-drone boats of any kind, since their dps would be overwhelming and could be exploited pretty quick, creating unwanted imbalance scenarios that CCP'll want to avoid at all costs.

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Malcolm Malicious
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2013-10-19 06:49:14 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Vas Eldryn wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Adam Zalonis wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
I'm not really sure how a mini carrier that possesses no distinctive advantage over a traditional carrier would be worth making. I get the feeling you're seeking a super domi.



Why not? A series of tech 2 subcapital drone carriers which can field 10 heavy drones or sentries, with an Orca sized ship maintenance bay and no hardpoints could fill a niche in smaller corps. I don't see a need for this to have a jumpdrive, since I think its primary role would be as support for small corps stepping into static hisec wormholes for the first time. That, and as a logistics platform for large remote reppers, shield transporters, etc.



No, it's primary role would be a 1600 DPS AFK Ratter.


1600DPS... on a purely hypothetical ship... where did you come up with this number?



Double the DPS of the current five drone droneboats. Simple enough.

Imagine the drone assist doctrines with something like this.



That's assuming the hull bonus would be 10% per level to drone damage, plus damage mods/rigs. Make it 5% on this hypothetical concept and I'd be happy with 1000-1200dps purely drone boat T2 battleship that can launch 10 drones, have no turret or launcher slots, no bonus to drone optimal and few midslots to overpower the already high damage projection from 10 drones.

Or keep the 10% per level on damage and hp and throw in a 10% per level drone mwd speed, and only bonus combat drones so they can be basically vindicators with detached guns.

These could serve an idea for a new class of T2 battleship apart from black ops and marauders. Assault carriers based on Armageddon, Typhoon, Dominix and Scorpion.....


I almost forgot about the Rattlesnake. Maybe scrap above ideas and make the Rattle and Nestor glorified mini carriers cause 10 drones ftw.
Vas Eldryn
#17 - 2013-10-19 07:27:14 UTC
been thinking a lot since I started this post.... and I would love to see this ship in either a t2 BS with deployment mode for small fleet / gang support and a drone increase... or a small capital with good fleet support and decent drone abilities, but being a cheaper less powerful carrier. But don't forget, this is just an idea and I'm open to alternate idea's!
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#18 - 2013-10-19 07:34:28 UTC
Only if we can use this in high-sec.

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Oxide Ammar
#19 - 2013-10-19 07:44:22 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Dominix


Stop shoving Dominix every time some asking or suggesting dedicated drone ship line.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-10-19 09:16:33 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Dominix


Stop shoving Dominix every time some asking or suggesting dedicated drone ship line.

The Dominix is a dedicated drone ship. The Vexor is not. The Vexor Navy Issue is, the Ishtar is, the Ishkur is not.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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