Player Features and Ideas Discussion

1. Freighters are boring and painful to fly
2. They serve the purpose of transporting goods that are high volume & low cost
3. They are intended to fly in high-sec only, the logistics of bringing it through hostile space is mind boggling and impractical (6x-10x webbers and scouts)

Just live with the fact that the ship sucks in general but serves its purpose and move on.

I still don't know what that German GM said. Is it binding as well? What languages do I need to speak? Why is no-one being banned who sends keystrokes to multiple windows? What does ISBoxer do? (I don't use it)

the ONLY way I would support such a change is to allow one low slot only on in order to put on a DCU...that gives you an insane amount of HP but ONLY if you pay attention and turn it on in every system. Other than that, do like most people do and escort it with a webber. You don't need to spend insane amounts of isk to get one...no need for a ceptor just use a dual webbed condor fit for speed. I guarantee you you will never get ganked as long as you do it right.

Decloak timer is 30 seconds, so if your freighter makes it to the gate and jumps through before your 1 minute aggro timer is up just leave it cloaked until you are through the gate. Initiate warp and alt tab to fly to the frieghter MWDed...lock enroute, and dual web. Rinse and repeat. The only place this isnt viable is undocking because of station velocities; however, use an insta-warp and go from there.

No.

Why have the anti-ISBoxer threads not died yet? CCP's interpretation of the EULA is all that matters, not yours or mine.

I have 1 (one) word for you...profit.

Freighters could be given one capital rig slot and one low slot at the expense of removing 30-50% of their current cargohold and EHP

You want to fit an expander in that low? Go ahead and remove 20% of your structure. You want to put a cargohold optimization rig in it as well? Go ahead and remove up to 10% of your armor.

You want to be sensible and protect yourself? Install that damage control unit and a useful astronautic rig to help your agility / warp speed

I want people to have more options to be stupid

I have been involved in one freighter gank and 1 titan gank.
FC was elo knight in both cases.
Titan gank resulted in a cfc titan dieing in a system full of online cfc caps and with a very large escort fleet on standby to protect their caps. Lonely Ryan lost his titan that day.
Freighter in high sec survived in structure and warped off.
both tooks similar amounts of time waiting (about 2 hours) for something interesting to happen.
so in my experience freighters are harder to gank than titans and even if we had killed it i wouldn't be anywhere near as happy as i was getting on the titan kill.
killing frieghters even if cat herding pilots into doing it were easy would remain dull and would remain a poor source of isk/hr.
The only reason people do it at all is because a few pilots stick many multiple of billions in their cargo and many of them cry epic tears.
people who want to make big profit ganking in high sec go after incursion pilots and blinged out mission runners. often these are far more expensive ships, easier loot to grab, easier loot to see and far far less EHP.
OP is as wrong as the other 50 people who posted this this the last month and will remain wrong for the foreseeable future.

I maintain that freighters aren't broken. On the whole, I think Rubicon's warp changes will decrease overall jump times for freighters, and the align times are in keeping with their size. The move significantly more m3/hour than anything else in game, and pay for that capability with being somewhat fragile. If a freighter can "safely" carry a billion ISK in cargo, plus another 1-1.5 for its own value, that's plenty.

It just means that for large operations you need an escort, or you can hire a professional (Blue Frog) to do it for you.

In most cases it isn't. Since it's more economical to gank with high-DPS, low-alpha ships (Catalyst, Brutix, Talos) than with high-alpha, low-dps ships (Tornados, Hurricanes), the escort has enough time to intervene. I have had a lot of ganks fail due to ECM intervention (Griffins are very very easy to train into). If freighter ganking is so easy and unpreventable, why do so few freighters die to suicide ganks each day?

I'm scanning on a popular gate in The Forge. Just now we had to let http://goonmetrics.com/cargo_scan/80091/?price_type=buy pass because we failed. And there are a lot of freighters with values over 2Bill that we don't gank because it's not worth the effort of coordinating 15 people (bumpers, dps, looters). If it were easy, we would kill a freighter every 16-20 minutes.



While, yes, there is a counter to everything (as it should be), the point is that freighters in general (there are exceptions) don't want to protect their assets and come crying on the forum for a change - because grrrrr-Goons. The gankers have adapted to all the changes to suicide ganking (CONCORD spawn time lowered, untankable CONCORD, removal of sling-shot ganking, removal of relative safe looting etc) - why should we not expect freighter/industrial pilots to do the same?