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YES YOU CAN HAVE MY STUFF / DNSBLACK LOOKING FOR GTC SELLER

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DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#121 - 2013-10-18 04:21:35 UTC
Hey CCP; DNS just set you RED and welcome to the sand box. Somer is a enemy of DNS and you have them set blue please

take a look in your lobby it is time to PVP.

http://i.imgur.com/Hk1UAInh.jpg

Yes I have control of this charcter still waiting for my eastern block friends to wake up and drink some coffee.
Sar'ran Zorn
St. Albans' Refuge
#122 - 2013-10-18 04:31:41 UTC
ThatTotallyHappened.jpg
Wildthing Mileghere
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2013-10-18 05:51:27 UTC
Wow, I just traded most of my assets to some fella claiming to be my ceo "asset redistribution plan". So glad I got the memo.

Cancelling my sub now. You can't have all my stuff. I MIGHT be back. I dunno.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#124 - 2013-10-18 06:02:40 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Joey Zasa wrote:
PS- we are booting Hu Immediately....

Well, at least one good thing is coming out of this sh*tstorm... Twisted

LOL> The shitstorm is yet to come. If RMT in eve is recognized as legit (which it now is) we may see a headline like "Curse region Sovereignty in EvE online sold for $400K " second life style.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Prince Kobol
#125 - 2013-10-18 06:18:10 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
By converting isk to $ you have just committed RMT..

At no point does Somerblink which thread is aimed at, covert RL Money to Isk or isk to RL Money

They give blink credits in turn for you using their referral scheme.

Now some people will say you can use that credit to guarantee a win and then converting that to isk by blinking on all slots on a ship, however that isn't as easy as it sounds as chances are somebody will place a blink on that ship so your chance of success whilst high isn't 100%.

So you still need a method of attracting people to your site and to use your referral service without offering them isk.

Like the example I gave, on a lottery site you would give x number of tickets in return.

So those using your referral might have a higher chance of winning said lottery due to them having more tickets. but it isn't 100% guaranteed.

Bull!
Credits are as good as isk. Not to mention they can only offer "credit" by having the isk to back it up.
Also 80% of the credit WILL be able to be converted into isk. It may not be by the buyer, but 80% of the credit value will en up as winnings.
What you have here is a technicality they are using the launder isk into cash, nothing more.
To do the same, the only thing you'd need to do is offer "tickets" not isk, then allow you to buy a whole lottery for 100% of the winnings. Slapping the word "game" on it would make it as valid as Somer.



Whether its a technicality is irrelevant. The fact is there is no guarantee that isk that is given as credit will results in a winning a prize and then converted to isk.

I know because I play Somerblink. You have said many times yourself you do not.
adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#126 - 2013-10-18 06:28:37 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
By converting isk to $ you have just committed RMT..

At no point does Somerblink which thread is aimed at, covert RL Money to Isk or isk to RL Money

They give blink credits in turn for you using their referral scheme.

Now some people will say you can use that credit to guarantee a win and then converting that to isk by blinking on all slots on a ship, however that isn't as easy as it sounds as chances are somebody will place a blink on that ship so your chance of success whilst high isn't 100%.

So you still need a method of attracting people to your site and to use your referral service without offering them isk.

Like the example I gave, on a lottery site you would give x number of tickets in return.

So those using your referral might have a higher chance of winning said lottery due to them having more tickets. but it isn't 100% guaranteed.

Bull!
Credits are as good as isk. Not to mention they can only offer "credit" by having the isk to back it up.
Also 80% of the credit WILL be able to be converted into isk. It may not be by the buyer, but 80% of the credit value will en up as winnings.
What you have here is a technicality they are using the launder isk into cash, nothing more.
To do the same, the only thing you'd need to do is offer "tickets" not isk, then allow you to buy a whole lottery for 100% of the winnings. Slapping the word "game" on it would make it as valid as Somer.



Whether its a technicality is irrelevant. The fact is there is no guarantee that isk that is given as credit will results in a winning a prize and then converted to isk.

I know because I play Somerblink. You have said many times yourself you do not.



With this game, there is very little guarantee of anything, so point missed.

This aside Kobol, I have wanted to ask you a question for a sometime now. How much profit does Somer make each month, in isk and $?
Frying Doom
#127 - 2013-10-18 07:52:35 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Whether its a technicality is irrelevant. The fact is there is no guarantee that isk that is given as credit will results in a winning a prize and then converted to isk.

I know because I play Somerblink. You have said many times yourself you do not.

Just as there was not a 100% chance of winning the right to bid on DNS BLACK

Sold GTC: check
Gave out fake credits to bid with: check
Won an prize with those fake credits: check

Looks above board to me.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#128 - 2013-10-18 08:02:53 UTC
Guys. It is happening all the time.

I posted this a year ago or so and I will post it again.
If some GTC seller offers you SOMER credits in addition or as a bonus to your GTC, then he is - even if he uses the normal price - technically undercutting another GTC seller who does NOT offer the bonus.
Then SOMER gets some small portion of the turnover - RMT here we go. Through legal and very subtle ways, SOMER has sold ISK indirectly for cash.
And they are doing it again with each and every promoted GTC sale.

Thing is: no matter what CCP or any other MMO company say or want: all the virtual items and/or currencies do have a REAL value for players. They are limited (you cant just have infinite ISK) and they do provide utility (enjoying gaming more, saving you time, prestige, whatever). These two qualities and nothing more define an economic good (with the small catch that in theory, CCP can anytime switch off the server and say "**** happens").

So people will always try to do such trades, even if they are criminalized. Unless CCP decides to buy back PLEX for cash (thus making the ISK freely convertible).
Swidgen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2013-10-18 09:28:56 UTC
Edward Olmops wrote:
Thing is: no matter what CCP or any other MMO company say or want: all the virtual items and/or currencies do have a REAL value for players.

No they do not. That's like EULA 101 when you sign up on your very first day with your very first toon. ISK and ingame items have no RL value. Just because people want their character's SP, experience and thousands of hours of effort to be valuable in terms of RL monetary worth doesn't make it so. A buyer who thinks spending RL money on a character or expensive ingame asset is a good idea is exactly who this saying is about: a fool and his money are soon parted.

Having said that, there are probably a lot of people in Reykjavík losing a lot of sleep over this debacle, so +1 to the OP for pushing the envelope. Wouldn't want to be him, though, when CCP voids the character transfer and the buyer comes looking for his $2500 refund.
DarkDecay
Real money traders
#130 - 2013-10-18 09:37:45 UTC
Swidgen wrote:
[ Wouldn't want to be him, though, when CCP voids the character transfer and the buyer comes looking for his $2500 refund.


That is what I want as to ban this they must ban somer and all the other rmt'ers.
Swidgen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2013-10-18 09:41:13 UTC
DarkDecay wrote:
Swidgen wrote:
[ Wouldn't want to be him, though, when CCP voids the character transfer and the buyer comes looking for his $2500 refund.


That is what I want as to ban this they must ban somer and all the other rmt'ers.

And that would be fine with me as well Big smile
Fel'ina Twilight
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2013-10-18 10:06:59 UTC
Actually, this procedure should go through now.
neuva
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#133 - 2013-10-18 10:12:52 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
Two Step better yet

1. I just sold a GTC to a guy for $2500.00 I gave him 2500 black credits.

2. I just sold another guy a GTC for $17.00 and gave him 2 black credits

3. Both of these guys used the black credits and bought tickets to my charcter raffle.

4. I all ready held the drawing and the winner will be announced soon.

5. I will be starting the legal transfer on the charcter form today.

6. Thank you CCP I made $ 2502 dollars enjoy your 30.00 dollars.

7. I did this with no website.



Godspeed ye crazy old magnificent basterd!
*two thumbs up*
Dionysus Caldoron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2013-10-18 10:54:53 UTC
Scram, web CCP?!

Wow, just wow...
neuva
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#135 - 2013-10-18 11:01:32 UTC  |  Edited by: neuva
Considering the Somer's immense economy (which can cripple/kill a regional market), this whole stuff is similar to the government vs mafia vegas casinos who do real laundering. It is hard to detect, as everyone gets a cut, and things happen in small increments.

Props to DNSBlack, exagerating the method to show it for all eyes ...and inventing the "Black ISK".
Calisto Thellere
#136 - 2013-10-18 12:59:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Calisto Thellere
So if i wanted to sell myself for cash, i could just make up some "calisto credits" things which you get free when you buy a GTC from me via an affiliates program?

1. sell a GTC to a guy for $3000 I gave him 3000 calisto credits.

2. sell another GTC to a guy for $17.00 and gave him 2 calisto credits

3. Both of these guys used the calistocredits and bought tickets to my charcter raffle.

Perform a draw and thats it?

BRB, Setting up affiliates program.
Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2013-10-18 13:15:05 UTC
Well played OP.

Can't imagine how desperate CCP are to lock and permaban but they really don't have a choice.

This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.
MyEveLotto
Doomheim
#138 - 2013-10-18 13:27:27 UTC
I think I now have found an expansion to make on my website.

myEVElotto will permit you to sell your characters and/or assets through our system. To purchase tickets for your character/asset lottery, one can send money via PayPal to a designated account. The system then selects a random winner (from those who purchased MELtickets) and that person wins the prize.

If you need a lottery front to legitimize your RMT CCP-authorized character lottery, please contact myEVElotto for pricing and terms. We will act as the "third party" that every legit CCP-authorized RMT scheme lottery requires.

myEVElotto.com - The New Public Lottery Site
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#139 - 2013-10-18 13:44:42 UTC
DarkDecay wrote:
Swidgen wrote:
[ Wouldn't want to be him, though, when CCP voids the character transfer and the buyer comes looking for his $2500 refund.


That is what I want as to ban this they must ban somer and all the other rmt'ers.

agreed, whatever the form RMT takes, it shall lead to permaban of the accounts and the payement method used to found thoses accounts / IP of the owners. period.
Igor Nappi
Doomheim
#140 - 2013-10-18 13:48:28 UTC
Well done. I think OP should get special edition pirate ships and free trips to Iceland from CCP.

Furthermore, I think that links must be removed from the game.