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Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#101 - 2013-10-18 13:15:21 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:


My answer to that is Highsec is a staging ground for new players, there needs to be safety till they can learn how to play the game.



Why? EvE isn’t safe, this will just create a false impression of what the game has to offer, thus giving us a net increase in the amount of pointless threads.

Just like this one.

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2013-10-18 13:17:07 UTC
Mythrandier wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:


My answer to that is Highsec is a staging ground for new players, there needs to be safety till they can learn how to play the game.



Why? EvE isn’t safe, this will just create a false impression of what the game has to offer, thus giving us a net increase in the amount of pointless threads.

Just like this one.


I think you really have forgotten what its like to be a new player? I suggest deleting all your stuff and starting from scratch, and then tell me u arent happy to be safe in highsec running missions and mining

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Lady Areola Fappington
#103 - 2013-10-18 13:17:14 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:

Because I ENJOY looking at my hyperion in my hangar, just because you wouldnt derive any satisfaction from what I do, doesnt mean I should have to bend to your style of play



In a way, it does. In EVE, might makes right. If I'm stronger than you, I dictate how you play. To counter that, you get stronger than me.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#104 - 2013-10-18 13:17:37 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:

My answer to that is Highsec is a staging ground for new players, there needs to be safety till they can learn how to play the game.


But it isnt.


The Noob Systems where ganking IS against the EULA are

There is a signifigant difference

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#105 - 2013-10-18 13:18:28 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
My point was that get enough suicide gankers together, no ship is safe from a high sec suicide gank... even a freighter

Why should they be safe?


Again.. some people play Eve just to mine.. just to rat .. or just to stare at neat ships...

Thats eve to them.. they will not go to low sec... why do u want to deny that to them? Why cant they have fun their way?


Some people play chess to just state that the rooks and queen. Why do you have to check mate them when stting at the other end of the board?

If you want to be left alone, play solitaire, not chess.


Except its not about being left alone, people like mining in a corp, hanging out with friends.. its not solitaire..



If it's just about the mining, why don't they do it on SiSi? On tranquility, that mining is affecting other people. No you do not get to affect other people whole being left alone.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#106 - 2013-10-18 13:18:36 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
For me, I did not start out wanting to "destroy highsec".

I just wanted to play the game. The game involves killing people. But the moment you engage in this aspect of the game, all the rabbits come out of the freaking walls to tell you how bad you are, how awful a person you must be, and how everyone should shame-shun you for making the choice to shoot at someone else.

Meanwhile, in lowsec, you have this group of people who, astonishingly, will actually tell you about how to fit your ship after they blow you up. They actually take the time to tell a newbie player how to better himself and improve his game.

The disparity between the two levels of discourse is what turned me. On one hand, I have well reasoned, mature players, and on the other hand I have a group reminiscent of a ring of children in a schoolyard, yelling at the ginger in the middle.

Besides, you can only be told so many times that you are an evil player, before you say "eff it!" and become one. If I'm gonna "do the time", as it were, then I might as well do the crime.


Go ahead.. kill people.. u have like 70% of the map dedicated to doing JUST that.. why do u need the last 30%?


If I want to kill people, and we've already established that I have, then why on earth would I not go to the place where the vast majority of the populace are fat, self satisfied sheep? Predators go where the prey are.

I'd ask you why you seem to think that 30% shouldn't have PvP. This isn't something where you get to have your area, and I get to have mine. That's WoW style, that's Trammel. That's bad.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#107 - 2013-10-18 13:20:20 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:


Because I ENJOY looking at my hyperion in my hangar, just because you wouldnt derive any satisfaction from what I do, doesnt mean I should have to bend to your style of play


Because this is a survival of the fittest sandbox game. You can do what you want, so can everyone else.

What you are really trying to do is constrain everyone else's freedom for your own benefit rather than taking to time to protect yourself. This is of course why people don't like miners.
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#108 - 2013-10-18 13:21:03 UTC
Lugalbandak wrote:
Guys , maybe your not with OP , but we have to give him credits for answering questions, +1

Eh... No I will not give credit to someone just being plain dumb and ******** answering questions with stupidity..
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2013-10-18 13:21:31 UTC  |  Edited by: oOReikaOo Michiko
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
For me, I did not start out wanting to "destroy highsec".

I just wanted to play the game. The game involves killing people. But the moment you engage in this aspect of the game, all the rabbits come out of the freaking walls to tell you how bad you are, how awful a person you must be, and how everyone should shame-shun you for making the choice to shoot at someone else.

Meanwhile, in lowsec, you have this group of people who, astonishingly, will actually tell you about how to fit your ship after they blow you up. They actually take the time to tell a newbie player how to better himself and improve his game.

The disparity between the two levels of discourse is what turned me. On one hand, I have well reasoned, mature players, and on the other hand I have a group reminiscent of a ring of children in a schoolyard, yelling at the ginger in the middle.

Besides, you can only be told so many times that you are an evil player, before you say "eff it!" and become one. If I'm gonna "do the time", as it were, then I might as well do the crime.


Go ahead.. kill people.. u have like 70% of the map dedicated to doing JUST that.. why do u need the last 30%?


If I want to kill people, and we've already established that I have, then why on earth would I not go to the place where the vast majority of the populace are fat, self satisfied sheep? Predators go where the prey are.

I'd ask you why you seem to think that 30% shouldn't have PvP. This isn't something where you get to have your area, and I get to have mine. That's WoW style, that's Trammel. That's bad.



Come SC that mentality is gonna cost u new players.. and i dont care how many oldfarts or bittervets there are, this game will bleed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#110 - 2013-10-18 13:22:29 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
For me, I did not start out wanting to "destroy highsec".

I just wanted to play the game. The game involves killing people. But the moment you engage in this aspect of the game, all the rabbits come out of the freaking walls to tell you how bad you are, how awful a person you must be, and how everyone should shame-shun you for making the choice to shoot at someone else.

Meanwhile, in lowsec, you have this group of people who, astonishingly, will actually tell you about how to fit your ship after they blow you up. They actually take the time to tell a newbie player how to better himself and improve his game.

The disparity between the two levels of discourse is what turned me. On one hand, I have well reasoned, mature players, and on the other hand I have a group reminiscent of a ring of children in a schoolyard, yelling at the ginger in the middle.

Besides, you can only be told so many times that you are an evil player, before you say "eff it!" and become one. If I'm gonna "do the time", as it were, then I might as well do the crime.


Go ahead.. kill people.. u have like 70% of the map dedicated to doing JUST that.. why do u need the last 30%?


If I want to kill people, and we've already established that I have, then why on earth would I not go to the place where the vast majority of the populace are fat, self satisfied sheep? Predators go where the prey are.

I'd ask you why you seem to think that 30% shouldn't have PvP. This isn't something where you get to have your area, and I get to have mine. That's WoW style, that's Trammel. That's bad.



Come SC that mentality is gonna cost u new players.. and i dont care how many oldfags or bittervets there are, this game will bleed.


Good.

EVE is better off with our such weakness.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#111 - 2013-10-18 13:23:53 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:


Because I ENJOY looking at my hyperion in my hangar, just because you wouldnt derive any satisfaction from what I do, doesnt mean I should have to bend to your style of play


Because this is a survival of the fittest sandbox game. You can do what you want, so can everyone else.

What you are really trying to do is constrain everyone else's freedom for your own benefit rather than taking to time to protect yourself. This is of course why people don't like miners.


Very, very much this.

The advocation for the removal of due diligence for your own self protection, just for miners, is a poisonous, odious concept.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2013-10-18 13:23:56 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
For me, I did not start out wanting to "destroy highsec".

I just wanted to play the game. The game involves killing people. But the moment you engage in this aspect of the game, all the rabbits come out of the freaking walls to tell you how bad you are, how awful a person you must be, and how everyone should shame-shun you for making the choice to shoot at someone else.

Meanwhile, in lowsec, you have this group of people who, astonishingly, will actually tell you about how to fit your ship after they blow you up. They actually take the time to tell a newbie player how to better himself and improve his game.

The disparity between the two levels of discourse is what turned me. On one hand, I have well reasoned, mature players, and on the other hand I have a group reminiscent of a ring of children in a schoolyard, yelling at the ginger in the middle.

Besides, you can only be told so many times that you are an evil player, before you say "eff it!" and become one. If I'm gonna "do the time", as it were, then I might as well do the crime.


Go ahead.. kill people.. u have like 70% of the map dedicated to doing JUST that.. why do u need the last 30%?


If I want to kill people, and we've already established that I have, then why on earth would I not go to the place where the vast majority of the populace are fat, self satisfied sheep? Predators go where the prey are.

I'd ask you why you seem to think that 30% shouldn't have PvP. This isn't something where you get to have your area, and I get to have mine. That's WoW style, that's Trammel. That's bad.



Come SC that mentality is gonna cost u new players.. and i dont care how many oldfags or bittervets there are, this game will bleed.


Good.

EVE is better off with our such weakness.


YOu wont be saying that when CCP goes the way of every other MMO creator.. F2P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#113 - 2013-10-18 13:24:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:

My answer to that is Highsec is a staging ground for new players, there needs to be safety till they can learn how to play the game.


Furthermore


Shouldnt new players learn how to operate a defense fleet?

Escort?

Scan for intruders?

Have awareness?


If you think that Low Null and WHs are only full of PvPers and there are no hardened veteran carebears out there...

Well you arent right

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lady Areola Fappington
#114 - 2013-10-18 13:27:06 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:


YOu wont be saying that when CCP goes the way of every other MMO creator.. F2P



And, we reach the unavoidable end of the unrepentant carebear argument, "EVE is dying". Disregard the steady sub growth, EVE is/will die because of (insert thing I don't like).

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Frying Doom
#115 - 2013-10-18 13:27:23 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Good.

EVE is better off with our such weakness.

Enjoy bumping PvPers because that will be all that is leftLol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#116 - 2013-10-18 13:27:28 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Mythrandier wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:


My answer to that is Highsec is a staging ground for new players, there needs to be safety till they can learn how to play the game.



Why? EvE isn’t safe, this will just create a false impression of what the game has to offer, thus giving us a net increase in the amount of pointless threads.

Just like this one.


I think you really have forgotten what its like to be a new player? I suggest deleting all your stuff and starting from scratch, and then tell me u arent happy to be safe in highsec running missions and mining



You are either the best troll on this forum, or so stupid you shouldn't be able to work your own lungs.

Did you actually READ any of my previous posts? The tools to avoid ganks are there, in game and not SP based. If YOU choose not to use them and struggle then that is entirely your own fault. Stop blaming the game for your own failings as a human being.

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#117 - 2013-10-18 13:27:29 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
YOu wont be saying that when CCP goes the way of every other MMO creator.. F2P

Roll

Oh god.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#118 - 2013-10-18 13:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:


Come SC that mentality is gonna cost u new players.. and i dont care how many oldfags or bittervets there are, this game will bleed.


If you hadn't already noticed, this game does not retain very many new players. Most people are quite simply, not cut out for this game. It's a niche game already, diluting what people like about this game, for the potential chance of attracting new players, does nothing more than alienate your loyal playerbase.

Consider UO's example, where separating the playerbase at the behest of the carebears who couldn't be asked to properly defend themselves utterly destroyed the game...

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#119 - 2013-10-18 13:29:13 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Good.

EVE is better off with our such weakness.

Enjoy bumping PvPers because that will be all that is leftLol


Nope, i'll still be here too.
Frying Doom
#120 - 2013-10-18 13:29:35 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:


YOu wont be saying that when CCP goes the way of every other MMO creator.. F2P



And, we reach the unavoidable end of the unrepentant carebear argument, "EVE is dying". Disregard the steady sub growth, EVE is/will die because of (insert thing I don't like).

There is no growth it is stagnant on Tranquility with as many people online as there were this time last year and serenity did a nose dive and is back to were it started.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!