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New player training for isk

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Great Pharaoh
republic fleet battle support
#1 - 2013-10-17 12:02:19 UTC
Hi guys,
A friend who played this game told me to not train for fancy big ships fast like battleships since it's better training for small good ships and can fly them well and then for other ships.So I told him don t battleships earn highest isk?He told me NO a covet ops ship doing factional warfare can make almost same money as high skilled battleship.

Is this true ?

Is covert ops worth it and will it be profitable like a batleship?

I read battleships can earn 50-100m per our .Can a covert ops farm fw and make same money?

Also I saw a video with a prowler that was very fun when was invsible and pirates were near it.
Bobinu
Unsober
Last Picks
#2 - 2013-10-17 12:39:50 UTC
GP,

I dont know about FW, but I can tell you skilling up for a lvl 4 BS doesnt take that long.

Without running the numbers id say its manageable within 6 months.

A mostly T2 fit Raven with half decent support skills, namely drone interfacing 4 comes to mind, will steam roll 4's with no issue.

You may have to refit and read the guides provided to know the triggers and damage types .

After that your rolling, with a good Corp and support you could run them sooner, or leech the ISK but adding some DPS!
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#3 - 2013-10-17 12:42:52 UTC
In wormhole BS or T3 cruiser can make even more than that. Capital escalations (with usage of dreads and carriers) are order of magnitude higher than that. Trading is also very profittable and you dont need any ship for that. PI is good for new player and you need only hauler for it.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-10-17 12:49:52 UTC
Great Pharaoh wrote:
Hi guys,
A friend who played this game told me to not train for fancy big ships fast like battleships since it's better training for small good ships and can fly them well and then for other ships.So I told him don t battleships earn highest isk?He told me NO a covet ops ship doing factional warfare can make almost same money as high skilled battleship.

Is this true ?

Is covert ops worth it and will it be profitable like a batleship?

I read battleships can earn 50-100m per our .Can a covert ops farm fw and make same money?

Also I saw a video with a prowler that was very fun when was invsible and pirates were near it.


Maybe he's trying to convince you not to make a very common noob mistake of getting into a ship before you have the proper skills? I'm only guessing since I don't know your skills.

I've heard faction warfare can make you a ton of ISK but I haven't tried it myself.

You should train for what you like to fly. Don't fly what you can't fit properly and don't fly what you can't afford to lose. I know pilots that make more in an assault frigate than I make running missions in a battleship. I'm personally happy with running missions so this doesn't bother me.
Bobinu
Unsober
Last Picks
#5 - 2013-10-17 12:55:39 UTC
You should train for what you like to fly. Don't fly what you can't fit properly and don't fly what you can't afford to lose. I know pilots that make more in an assault frigate than I make running missions in a battleship. I'm personally happy with running missions so this doesn't bother me.

by IIshira

This is sound advice!

When I upgraded to my Raven many years ago, I kept my Drake, if I had lost my Raven, I could earn the ISK for another.

Grinding ISK is ok, but having fun and making ISK is better.
Great Pharaoh
republic fleet battle support
#6 - 2013-10-17 19:55:27 UTC
I like all your ideas but he told me if i train for covert ops is fun and great profit cause sit in fw when i see someone i disappear and then appear again to activate the timer. (whatever that means)
Ginger Barbarella
#7 - 2013-10-17 21:00:31 UTC
Great Pharaoh wrote:
Hi guys,
A friend who played this game told me to not train for fancy big ships fast like battleships since it's better training for small good ships and can fly them well and then for other ships.So I told him don t battleships earn highest isk?He told me NO a covet ops ship doing factional warfare can make almost same money as high skilled battleship.

Is this true ?

Is covert ops worth it and will it be profitable like a batleship?

I read battleships can earn 50-100m per our .Can a covert ops farm fw and make same money?

Also I saw a video with a prowler that was very fun when was invsible and pirates were near it.


Running FW missions in stealth bombers used to be a great way to farm them, if you knew how to avoid people hunting you. Not so much anymore, but yeah, farming both missions and plexes in FW can lead to decent conversions of LP to isk. Obviously the risk is higher, but yeah.

And hopping into a battleship as quickly as you can pretty much ensures that you'll lose the battleship just as quickly. Learn to fly first, and progress as you're comfortable. You can get into a battleship VERY quickly, but it's just about guaranteed that a well-skilled cruiser pilot can out fly you in your battleship without even breaking a sweat.

Quit being in a rush, learn to fly, and train up those support skills. It's worth the investment in time.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Ginger Barbarella
#8 - 2013-10-17 21:03:52 UTC
Great Pharaoh wrote:
I like all your ideas but he told me if i train for covert ops is fun and great profit cause sit in fw when i see someone i disappear and then appear again to activate the timer. (whatever that means)


Sitting cloaked in a plex while you wait for hunters to leave is ALMOST as boring as station camping. You are losing a LOT of isk just siting there doing nothing. If you wan to farm plexes, get into a stabbed frigate and run plexes. If someone drops into your plex you leave and hit another one. If you insist on having a cloaky alt sitting there doing nothing, plant him at an entry gate to a plex, cloak and watch. As soon as someone shows up, warp your FW alt out to a safe, set up your cloaky on another plex, repeat.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Mathias Orsen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-10-18 00:20:39 UTC
The problem isn't about skilling up to BS to quickly. The problem is when you skill up to fly multiple races and multiple types of ships. Instead of being good with one ship you are just merely able to fly many.
Fia Magrath
The Clown Inquisition
#10 - 2013-10-18 03:17:17 UTC
Honestly you don't need a covops to do nullsec exploration, you don't even need particularly good probing/analyzer skills. All that is required is a t1 probing frig with the appropriate t1 fit and some gameplay experience to stay safe and to not blow too many cans. It would take you a lot of sp, planning and friends to top the isk/hour/risk in any kind of application for a BS or any other ship type for that matter.

Considering that, train for whatever you want to fly on sundays, not something you have to fly on mondays.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#11 - 2013-10-18 04:24:20 UTC
Get your salvage skills up first.

If you hustle in a pimped out Noctis you can make good starter isk as salvager for hire.

Then grow your combat mission skills and clean them when the isk per hour ratio is higher compared to just doing one mission after another.

Easy 15 mil an hour for a couple day old toon in a destroyer and scales up decently too.
30 mil an hour can be relatively quick to achieve. Helps if you have a corp full of high sp mission runners.
Darwin Allessandro
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-10-18 16:54:53 UTC
It is definitely possible if you dedicate all your training to specific skills to get to a decent battleship in 1.5 months at most. You will only be making about 40 mil an hour including salvage (noctis takes like half a day to train), but its pretty fantastic money.

Train these skills in this order:

-Tech 2 tank (hardeners are most important)
-Tank support skills to 4
-Fitting support skills to 4 or 5
-Battleship weapon system of choice
-Weapon support skills
-Micro Jump Drive operation
-The Racial Battleship to 3
-Drones 5 and Drone Interfacing to 3 (for light drones vs frigates)

-----Starting here, you should be able to run most level 4s. If you get in over your head, Micro Jump Drive and warp out-----

-Other Navigation Skills
-Racial Battleship 4
-Tech 2 weapons
-Finish support skills to a comfortable level

This is the plan I followed, and I was in level fours (granted, with only 400 dps to start) at 5 weeks.

My character is 2 months, 1 day old, and I can now fly Stealth Bombers on top of my Battleship (because I chose missiles as my weapon system), and fly both at a pretty good level.

Keep in mind I can literally do only these things well:
Fly Caldari Missile Battleships
Fly Stealth Bombers
Salvage

Specialization is key to being effective in a good ship in a short time. Don't dilly dally with racial ship skills outside your specialization, or other weapon systems. You can get to those after you can fly a few ships really well. I plan to continue by training covert ops 5, caldari battleship 5, and some of my missile support skills to 5 before continuing on, because the performance improvements can be very significant.

Once you hit tech 2 weapons, you can be earning 60 mil an hour at around 1.5 months, which I think is pretty damn good. I was happy at least. I can die in a whole lot of stealth bombers before having to farm more Big smile
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#13 - 2013-10-23 20:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Degnar Oskold
Great Pharaoh wrote:
I like all your ideas but he told me if i train for covert ops is fun and great profit cause sit in fw when i see someone i disappear and then appear again to activate the timer. (whatever that means)


This is what happens when you tried to do that. I found a 2 day old character doing this and made it my goal for the day to kill him.

http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20112627

I waited inside the plex until he decloaked and then decloaked my own combat ship and killed him.





Seriously, trying to make money this way is boring and agitating. You will be constantly hitting your d-scan button loking to see if someone is coming for you, and when you make a mistake your ship will be blatted.

Running hi-sec missions safely is more fun, especially in a social missioning corp.

What is your goal in EVE? To have fun, or to make ISK?

ISK is not needed to have fun. Join a missioning corp, play with their noobs on Level 2 and Level 3 missions, and then move on to level 4 missions.

Or to truely enjoy EVE, join a Faction Warfare corporation that takes on newbros and enjoy making money while blowing away other player ships...
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-10-24 13:12:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
the quickest way to make ISK is to sell a PLEX on the market. don't let EVE become a second job, just spend some more RL money and save it on cigarettes or whatever.

that said, if you are set on making ISK ingame, there are several options, suited to different play styles. it is hard to make a buck by killing other players (necause that's what everyone wants to do), but if you like shooting things in general, training for a battleship and running lvl4 missions is a good option. if you prefer playing in a group, you can refine your skills, get a decent ship and start running incursions (they are a little like multiplayer missions).

if killing thousands of red crosses is not for you, there is still ISK to be made in other ways. as has been stated already, faction warfare can be profitable, but also somewhat boring, as you just have to hang out n space and not even shoot things. then there are less violent income sources like planetary interaction, industry, trade etc. they require different amounts of skill training as well as player experience and time investment.

as you can see, there are many different options for funding your PvP habit, you just have to choose the right one(s) for you.

I should buy an Ishtar.