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Are Caldari the worst race when it comes to ships?

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Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#21 - 2013-10-16 09:22:13 UTC
Caldari ships bad? Shocked

Cerberus. (Fantastic missile boat, both good against small ships and larger ships).

Falcon. (Reasons stated above).

Naga. (One hell of a sniper).

Widow. (Arguably the best of the Black Ops ships).



As for your point about Incursions, from what I hear a shield fleet filled with nothing but RNI's and SNI's is a cruise missle killing force to be reckoned with. (But thats what I heard, not talking from experience there).

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#22 - 2013-10-16 09:26:28 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
Caldari ships bad? Shocked

Cerberus. (Fantastic missile boat, both good against small ships and larger ships).

Falcon. (Reasons stated above).

Naga. (One hell of a sniper).

Widow. (Arguably the best of the Black Ops ships).



As for your point about Incursions, from what I hear a shield fleet filled with nothing but RNI's and SNI's is a cruise missle killing force to be reckoned with. (But thats what I heard, not talking from experience there).



Also Naga and Widow are beautiful looking ships to me

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Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#23 - 2013-10-16 09:29:11 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
Caldari ships bad? Shocked

Cerberus. (Fantastic missile boat, both good against small ships and larger ships).

Falcon. (Reasons stated above).

Naga. (One hell of a sniper).

Widow. (Arguably the best of the Black Ops ships).



As for your point about Incursions, from what I hear a shield fleet filled with nothing but RNI's and SNI's is a cruise missle killing force to be reckoned with. (But thats what I heard, not talking from experience there).



Also Naga and Widow are beautiful looking ships to me


Agreed. I love the hull of the Widow.

I do prefere the Rokh to the Naga hull though. And my guilty pleasure is the Phoenix hull. It just looks like a dread should in my opinion.

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Ziphis
Dingus Coalition
HYPE-TRAIN
#24 - 2013-10-16 09:34:00 UTC
The look of a ship isn't important there is a mouse wheel too help you get over the fact your Falcon isn't a beautiful ship...

Honestly though if you want more diversity in your ships fit them how you want and fly solo....

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Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#25 - 2013-10-16 09:46:35 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:


I do prefere the Rokh to the Naga hull though.


Got to agree with you there, the Rokh is one damn fine looking hull.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-10-16 10:04:23 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


So... when the OP started with Incursions and effectiveness


And we said "But Falcon and Blackbird and PVP"


And so she said "Looks" and we said "Well thats fair, but effective EW and Minmatar?"


And so she says "PVP" again






I think the OP just hates Caldari and won't be happy until someone agrees.



That said, Amarr Victor (though a lot of people I know wont fly them for PVP either, so.... go figure)


I am Caldari, I like Caldari I just wish our ships had more multi purpose roles. We are dead last when it comes to certain aspects of the game where other races seem more balanced, more "diversified". I think Caldari should be given a second look to try and bring more options and diversity to the race.


Harpy fleets.
Hawk is awesome.
kitsune and crow about to become very popular
interdictor buff should see more than just sabre around.
caracal and drake still popular pvp ships.
rlml cerberus is borderline OP and will be the goto counter for the buffed EAF's.
ravan /navy raven / golem /SNI the goto mission running ships.
drake ideal low to mid level plex runner and ideal C1-3 WH site running (from a risk /reward POV) as a daytripper.
The entire ECM line is always going to be a top priority target from opposing fleet due to its immense power.
raven fleets have been seen in null recently.
rohk fleets were always popular.
caldari ships have roles is all aspects of the game and are hugely popular as a result.
missile ships don't work for incursions but rohks are usually welcome and at least one community runs with rattlesnakes.

If it is cross training weapon systems that annoys u then pity the non caldari pilot who must train frigate level missiles for a bunch of assualt frigs/ interdictors random ships having launchers in highs and BS sized missiles for stealth bombers. at least when caldari cross train to turrets they get a lot of potential use from a big uptick in weapon platforms.


Anyway just train hybrids for ships like the Harpy and rohk. cross train gallente and with hybrid, missile and drone skills you should have most situations covered.

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cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#27 - 2013-10-16 12:05:31 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


So... when the OP started with Incursions and effectiveness


And we said "But Falcon and Blackbird and PVP"


And so she said "Looks" and we said "Well thats fair, but effective EW and Minmatar?"


And so she says "PVP" again






I think the OP just hates Caldari and won't be happy until someone agrees.



That said, Amarr Victor (though a lot of people I know wont fly them for PVP either, so.... go figure)


I am Caldari, I like Caldari I just wish our ships had more multi purpose roles. We are dead last when it comes to certain aspects of the game where other races seem more balanced, more "diversified". I think Caldari should be given a second look to try and bring more options and diversity to the race.


Harpy fleets.
Hawk is awesome.
kitsune and crow about to become very popular
interdictor buff should see more than just sabre around.
caracal and drake still popular pvp ships.
rlml cerberus is borderline OP and will be the goto counter for the buffed EAF's.
ravan /navy raven / golem /SNI the goto mission running ships.
drake ideal low to mid level plex runner and ideal C1-3 WH site running (from a risk /reward POV) as a daytripper.
The entire ECM line is always going to be a top priority target from opposing fleet due to its immense power.
raven fleets have been seen in null recently.
rohk fleets were always popular.
caldari ships have roles is all aspects of the game and are hugely popular as a result.
missile ships don't work for incursions but rohks are usually welcome and at least one community runs with rattlesnakes.

If it is cross training weapon systems that annoys u then pity the non caldari pilot who must train frigate level missiles for a bunch of assualt frigs/ interdictors random ships having launchers in highs and BS sized missiles for stealth bombers. at least when caldari cross train to turrets they get a lot of potential use from a big uptick in weapon platforms.


Anyway just train hybrids for ships like the Harpy and rohk. cross train gallente and with hybrid, missile and drone skills you should have most situations covered.



Harpy fleets? Oh you mean like in that video where Rooks and Kings obliterate an entire fleet of them with smart bombs? That harpy fleet? Oh you are a funny one sir.

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cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#28 - 2013-10-16 12:08:04 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


So... when the OP started with Incursions and effectiveness


And we said "But Falcon and Blackbird and PVP"


And so she said "Looks" and we said "Well thats fair, but effective EW and Minmatar?"


And so she says "PVP" again






I think the OP just hates Caldari and won't be happy until someone agrees.



That said, Amarr Victor (though a lot of people I know wont fly them for PVP either, so.... go figure)


I am Caldari, I like Caldari I just wish our ships had more multi purpose roles. We are dead last when it comes to certain aspects of the game where other races seem more balanced, more "diversified". I think Caldari should be given a second look to try and bring more options and diversity to the race.


Harpy fleets.
Hawk is awesome.
kitsune and crow about to become very popular
interdictor buff should see more than just sabre around.
caracal and drake still popular pvp ships.
rlml cerberus is borderline OP and will be the goto counter for the buffed EAF's.
ravan /navy raven / golem /SNI the goto mission running ships.
drake ideal low to mid level plex runner and ideal C1-3 WH site running (from a risk /reward POV) as a daytripper.
The entire ECM line is always going to be a top priority target from opposing fleet due to its immense power.
raven fleets have been seen in null recently.
rohk fleets were always popular.
caldari ships have roles is all aspects of the game and are hugely popular as a result.
missile ships don't work for incursions but rohks are usually welcome and at least one community runs with rattlesnakes.

If it is cross training weapon systems that annoys u then pity the non caldari pilot who must train frigate level missiles for a bunch of assualt frigs/ interdictors random ships having launchers in highs and BS sized missiles for stealth bombers. at least when caldari cross train to turrets they get a lot of potential use from a big uptick in weapon platforms.


Anyway just train hybrids for ships like the Harpy and rohk. cross train gallente and with hybrid, missile and drone skills you should have most situations covered.



Harpy fleets? Oh you mean like in that video where Rooks and Kings obliterate an entire fleet of them with smart bombs? That harpy fleet? Oh you are a funny one sir.



all kidding aside, I decided to train instead for a paladin, because LAZORS! Plus the training time is a bit shorter then trying to get into a vindicator.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Waylan Yutani
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#29 - 2013-10-16 12:11:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Waylan Yutani
condorhawkcormmoablackbirdcaracaleageltengudrakerokhcnrwidowgolem.. their capitals suck, or so i have heardBlink
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#30 - 2013-10-16 12:14:13 UTC
Waylan Yutani wrote:


condor

hawk

cormmoa

blackbird

caracal

eagel

tengu

drake

rokh

cnr

widow

golem.. their capitals suck, or so i have heardBlink



There I fixed it for you..... damn it man never do this again you pushed the OCD button.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Prince Kobol
#31 - 2013-10-16 12:20:52 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
Charles Panzram wrote:


As if incursions were the only thing to do in game......Roll
For a long time Caldari were and still are king of pve and with the cruise missile buff they are even better at level 4s, ratting whatever. (Damage type choice, anyone?)

Wast fleets of drakes used to terrorize 0.0 then people moved on to the Tengu.
Falcons were the bane of small gang pvp for a long time and are still very good.

Just because they are less popular for one niche aspect of the game does not make the whole race bad.

If you are a one trick pony limited to incursions by all means sit in the corner and sulk .....or train something that caters more to your "special" play style.




everyone who is serious about PVP, at least to those I talked to, all pick Gallente, Minmatar or Amarr ships. Caldari are typically DEAD LAST. Always.


Erm.. reallly?

These people you are talking to.. I would suggest to find others as they seem to be talking out of their backsides.

Couldn't tell you how many Rail Tengu fleets I have come across in the last few weeks.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#32 - 2013-10-16 12:31:26 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:

Yes, aesthetically marvelous the Falon,I can't tell which way it faces because it has no front, back, top or side. You can spin the ship around and it still looks like NOTHING.


Wait... you've just described Broadsword.

Anyway, about Caldari...

Chimera is the best ship for fixing POS-es.

Blackbird is useful in small t1 cruiser gangs. It helps new players get into pvp and not lose every fight.

Nighthawk and Tengu were good for PvE... before all the nerfs that happened recently.
Golem is now the king of PvE and with Rubicon buffs + Bastion module it will become a default for many mission runners.

Rokh can be very scary in small BS gangs or even for solo PvP, as demonstrated in one of my favourite EVE PvP vids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0FdO7pjMkY.

Rhea has the biggest cargohold of all jump freighters.

Moa is still the ugliest ship in the game (that counts for something too Big smile)

Dual Medium anci boosted Hawk is pretty decent choice for a frig fight.

And lastly, the mentioned Falcon, if you limit it to gangs of 10 players or less.


Naga is an outstanding Skirmish fleet sniper.

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cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#33 - 2013-10-16 12:34:15 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
[quote=Antihrist Pripravnik][quote=cyndrogen]

Naga is an outstanding Skirmish fleet sniper.


it's also paper thin.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#34 - 2013-10-16 12:38:09 UTC


Confirmed

OP is on crack

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#35 - 2013-10-16 12:39:27 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:


everyone who is serious about PVP, at least to those I talked to, all pick Gallente, Minmatar or Amarr ships. Caldari are typically DEAD LAST. Always.


I guess those of us into PvE don't matter a whit.

Regardless, Caldari are best for the Level 4's and DED Sites.

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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#36 - 2013-10-16 12:41:49 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
There isn't a SINGLE ship that anyone considers taking to incursions, except maybe the RNI, guess how many FC will pick RNI over a Vindi or a Mach.

So the RNI gets picked occasionally - and I know that the Golem will occasionally feature...

So how do they compare to the take up on Apoc Navy Issues, Megathron Navy Issues and Tempest Fleet Issues?
Surprisingly the number of (at least shield fleet) FCs who will pick any of these over a Nightmare, Vindi or Mach are similar at best to those who will select an RNI (statistic unsupported by empirical evidence).

So the Amarr, Gallente and Minmatar are also the worst race in terms of Incursion take-up... Except that the Basilisk and Scimitar are always finding spaces in a fleet...

So what you're really complaining about is not how Caldari are "worst" but how heavily prefered the Amarr-Caldari, Gallente-Minmatar and Minmatar-Gallente Pirate ships are better than the Navy faction ships (which, incidentally, they're supposed to be).
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#37 - 2013-10-16 12:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
cyndrogen wrote:
We have the most unappealing ships of all the races.
Caldari are typically LAST to be picked for incursions because you know "flight time" of missiles.


Anyone want to discuss how Caldari are awesome? Can you think of one thing we are good at besides losing ships due to poor damage projection?


I could write a list but on the whole there are a lot of good PvP ships in the Caldari line up. My personal T1 favourite is the Moa which is just such a good shield brawler although I have a soft spot for the nano Caracal.

As to T2 got to go for the Cerebus, HAMs at that range are very nice and I'm a great fan of the blaster Harpy.

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Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#38 - 2013-10-16 13:06:43 UTC
I'm enjoying this. As a gallente pilot I enjoy watching caldari pilots cry about their outdated ships muhahahahaha
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#39 - 2013-10-16 13:09:57 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
I'm enjoying this. As a gallente pilot I enjoy watching caldari pilots cry about their outdated ships muhahahahaha



I'm Gallente but fly Caldari. Whatcha gonna do about it ?

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Amber Kurvora
#40 - 2013-10-16 13:29:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Amber Kurvora
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
I'm enjoying this. As a gallente pilot I enjoy watching caldari pilots cry about their outdated ships muhahahahaha



I'm Gallente but fly Caldari. Whatcha gonna do about it ?



Offer you good corporate healthcare for choosing the right side. ;) Actually, I dislike the Caldari philosophy, but I loves the sight of missiles flying off to offer free hugs and cuddles.
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