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broken 5-8/10 plex loot mehanics
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Poison Alice
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-10-15 15:27:38 UTC
after finishing several 5-8/10 plexes in both low and null sec and getting uber crap, overseer box, meta 4 items and whooping 220mil from 8/10 i'm fking angry

even belts in low sec are worse then high sec, spawning lone frig or dessy, tag carriers are nowhere to be found ...

CCP fix this broken loot crap, its more worthwhile to sit in high sec and mine veldspar in retri then wasting time in plexes with no reward! (yes, i know im ranting, no, u cant have mu stuff)
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2013-10-15 15:32:04 UTC
Several, huh? That sounds pretty serious. My theory is that CCP has specifically coded it so that you don't get any decent drops. It's really the only explanation; mine are fine.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#3 - 2013-10-15 16:29:27 UTC
Bad luck.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-10-15 16:36:02 UTC
Poison Alice wrote:
after finishing several 5-8/10 plexes in both low and null sec and getting uber crap, overseer box, meta 4 items and whooping 220mil from 8/10 i'm fking angry

even belts in low sec are worse then high sec, spawning lone frig or dessy, tag carriers are nowhere to be found ...

CCP fix this broken loot crap, its more worthwhile to sit in high sec and mine veldspar in retri then wasting time in plexes with no reward! (yes, i know im ranting, no, u cant have mu stuff)


Is this another bad time to mention the 4+ bil in loot I've made over the last week doing the same kinds of plexes this guy is complaining about?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#5 - 2013-10-15 16:38:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Poison Alice wrote:
after finishing several 5-8/10 plexes in both low and null sec and getting uber crap, overseer box, meta 4 items and whooping 220mil from 8/10 i'm fking angry

even belts in low sec are worse then high sec, spawning lone frig or dessy, tag carriers are nowhere to be found ...

CCP fix this broken loot crap, its more worthwhile to sit in high sec and mine veldspar in retri then wasting time in plexes with no reward! (yes, i know im ranting, no, u cant have mu stuff)


Is this another bad time to mention the 4+ bil in loot I've made over the last week doing the same kinds of plexes this guy is complaining about?


No, I'd say it's the perfect time.
Poison Alice
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-10-15 17:43:42 UTC
screw you guys Sad

i understand the factor of bad luck/random but really, 8/10 plex drops 200-400 mil and high sec 4/10 drops half a bil, seriously ... and ppl still wonder why high sec is so populated

and what about belts? only frig and dessy spawn, occasional cruiser in 0.2 and 0.1, arent there suposed to be battleships and battlecruisers? not to mention elusive tag carriers
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#7 - 2013-10-15 21:51:17 UTC
collect OPEs for a month
Take them all to hisec at once
Pretend you just cashed in on some sweet loot

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Critical Legend
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-10-15 21:52:15 UTC
Over last 3 weaks , i runned over 30 plex (that icludes all 5 to 10 sansha space) moast of them 8/10 and got arround 4bil . Moast of the loot is that default crap "overseer effect " rest is from true sansha space . This is ******** because 4 weaks ago ...let me corect this actualy 2 months ago i was doing like 1 bil per 3 plexes (ded 8 moastly ). Besides the droping of "nightmare blueprint" and other modules. What happened ? where s the ccp explanation for this ...or it s in my opinion that they released the new patch ... and nurfed the drop chance ?
From 20 counted ded 8 run in about 2 weaks only overseer personal effects .
Ded 8 cannot be done solo unless you waste 1 hour on structure and ammo , including null sec reds that are roaming and other risks . (wh spawn , pvp fleets etc). So reward is **** .
Stop beeing ******** and don t tell me about bad luck , and open your ******* eyes because this is what you are paying for .
Runned ded 10 yesterday , and droped 140 mil . "Station ultima" high dps, firepower , null sec , leadership lvl 5, reds etc . Doesn t justify the risk and the time . Ded 10 supose to be the best and hardest pve complex "solo" (because i ran it alone in cnr)

Statistics
Up till 3 weaks ago , null sec plexes income = 7 bil/ weak (doing ded s for 3 months )
3 weaks ago till now null sec plexes income = 2bil /weak at moast including salvage + bounty. (before i never even checked bounty and salvage)

Ccp please reply whith the answer .
Others please reply with statistics . Stop ass kissing.

Fly safe o7
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-10-15 22:21:42 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
I'm sure the OP has a valid point.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the amount of wrecks holding loot and the amount of loot contained in those wrecks has been nerfed all the way back to the time of Castor.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to know it's the same in low and null sec as it is in high sec. From my experience only 20% of wrecks contain loot now and out of that 20% only 8% actually contain anything other than Metal Scraps.

Evil

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DMC

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#10 - 2013-10-15 22:31:56 UTC
Critical Legend wrote:
Over last 3 weaks , i runned over 30 plex (that icludes all 5 to 10 sansha space) moast of them 8/10 and got arround 4bil . Moast of the loot is that default crap "overseer effect " rest is from true sansha space . This is ******** because 4 weaks ago ...let me corect this actualy 2 months ago i was doing like 1 bil per 3 plexes (ded 8 moastly ). Besides the droping of "nightmare blueprint" and other modules. What happened ? where s the ccp explanation for this ...or it s in my opinion that they released the new patch ... and nurfed the drop chance ?
From 20 counted ded 8 run in about 2 weaks only overseer personal effects .
Ded 8 cannot be done solo unless you waste 1 hour on structure and ammo , including null sec reds that are roaming and other risks . (wh spawn , pvp fleets etc). So reward is **** .
Stop beeing ******** and don t tell me about bad luck , and open your ******* eyes because this is what you are paying for .
Runned ded 10 yesterday , and droped 140 mil . "Station ultima" high dps, firepower , null sec , leadership lvl 5, reds etc . Doesn t justify the risk and the time . Ded 10 supose to be the best and hardest pve complex "solo" (because i ran it alone in cnr)

Statistics
Up till 3 weaks ago , null sec plexes income = 7 bil/ weak (doing ded s for 3 months )
3 weaks ago till now null sec plexes income = 2bil /weak at moast including salvage + bounty. (before i never even checked bounty and salvage)

Ccp please reply whith the answer .
Others please reply with statistics . Stop ass kissing.

Fly safe o7


Congratulations you had a loot streak. Now welcome to the real world where statistics are streaky and you can get a crap loot streak or a no loot streak too.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#11 - 2013-10-15 23:03:42 UTC
Poison Alice wrote:
after finishing several 5-8/10 plexes in both low and null sec and getting uber crap, overseer box, meta 4 items and whooping 220mil from 8/10 i'm fking angry

even belts in low sec are worse then high sec, spawning lone frig or dessy, tag carriers are nowhere to be found ...

CCP fix this broken loot crap, its more worthwhile to sit in high sec and mine veldspar in retri then wasting time in plexes with no reward! (yes, i know im ranting, no, u cant have mu stuff)


DED 8 - Piths Penal (sig). Runs : 5. OPE : 400m. Loot : 580m Bounties : 185m Time taken : ~5 hours. Isk/hr in plex : 233m
Critical Legend
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-10-15 23:22:12 UTC
Tauranon what you are talking about? Don t understand loot streak
Critical Legend
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-10-15 23:24:44 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Poison Alice wrote:
after finishing several 5-8/10 plexes in both low and null sec and getting uber crap, overseer box, meta 4 items and whooping 220mil from 8/10 i'm fking angry

even belts in low sec are worse then high sec, spawning lone frig or dessy, tag carriers are nowhere to be found ...

CCP fix this broken loot crap, its more worthwhile to sit in high sec and mine veldspar in retri then wasting time in plexes with no reward! (yes, i know im ranting, no, u cant have mu stuff)


Is this another bad time to mention the 4+ bil in loot I've made over the last week doing the same kinds of plexes this guy is complaining about?



Jen step "aside" and kiss somebody elses ass.
Much loot to you my friend .
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#14 - 2013-10-15 23:53:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Critical Legend wrote:
Tauranon what you are talking about? Don t understand loot streak


CCP doesn't have a "deck" to draw loot from for you specifically. Each subsequent roll for loot is independent of the last.

So there is a mathematical chance that you can get a series of what you think of as an unfavourable loot roll. and that sequence can be indefinately long.

Note CCP doesn't care which b-type resist you got either, they view a b-type explosive shield resist as inherently as valuable as a b-type EM shield resist. Its only us that make the distinction. They would almost certainly view a better than even chance of a b-type as an excellent loot roll regardless of which one comes out.
Critical Legend
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-10-16 10:29:58 UTC
ok i understand
but loot streak not in favor after doing 20 ded compared to loot before is not 'bad luck' is game nerf.
can not care of game mecanics when i run 20 ded in succesive and get OPE. as said risk not justify.
then all rational explainations is like politician bullshit their critics out of everything.

it worked
its not workeing no more.

im agree with OP.
rest is bullshit

Tauranon, i understand what explained but if game setup like that then doesnt matter anyway.
why not think is actually a mecanism to give loot in begining and in time with more ded you run less loot drops ? it could be i seen it happens other places (not eve)
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#16 - 2013-10-16 13:05:43 UTC
The point is that nothing has really changed. It's not some kind of nerf, it's bad perceptions on the part of some people who do exploration.

I've had weeks where I made hand-over-fist isk. I once got an almost 3 bil drop from a Guristas 6/10. I once had 3 sansha 8/10s in one system and ALL 3 dropped nightmare BPCs etc etc. But most times, I get "not much". And exploration is like that in ALL part so EVE space. Like any good quality activity, it can be frustrating.

Exploration has to be like that because if it isn't everyone will do it, and the prices of the items we get would drop through the floor.

The truth is that exploration requires patience and management of expectations. if you don't have that you're better off doing something else.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-10-16 20:31:11 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
The point is that nothing has really changed. It's not some kind of nerf, it's bad perceptions on the part of some people who do exploration.
Come on, you've got to be kidding. Do you actually believe that?

Guess you don't remember Soundwave & Co. declaring war on Gun Mining. The loot tables affecting the amount of wrecks containing loot and the type of loot contained in those wrecks is constantly being manipulated and nerfed, almost to the point of being non-existent. I'm not talking about Commander / Overseer drops. That has always been RNG.

Anyway, it's not bad perception, it's actual perception.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#18 - 2013-10-16 20:51:52 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The point is that nothing has really changed. It's not some kind of nerf, it's bad perceptions on the part of some people who do exploration.
Come on, you've got to be kidding. Do you actually believe that?

Guess you don't remember Soundwave & Co. declaring war on Gun Mining. The loot tables affecting the amount of wrecks containing loot and the type of loot contained in those wrecks is constantly being manipulated and nerfed, almost to the point of being non-existent. I'm not talking about Commander / Overseer drops. That has always been RNG.

Anyway, it's not bad perception, it's actual perception.


But commander/overseer drops is all anyone cares about in this thread.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#19 - 2013-10-16 23:57:50 UTC
Batelle wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The point is that nothing has really changed. It's not some kind of nerf, it's bad perceptions on the part of some people who do exploration.
Come on, you've got to be kidding. Do you actually believe that?

Guess you don't remember Soundwave & Co. declaring war on Gun Mining. The loot tables affecting the amount of wrecks containing loot and the type of loot contained in those wrecks is constantly being manipulated and nerfed, almost to the point of being non-existent. I'm not talking about Commander / Overseer drops. That has always been RNG.

Anyway, it's not bad perception, it's actual perception.


But commander/overseer drops is all anyone cares about in this thread.


This. i have no idea what that guy is going on about.
Baggo Hammers
#20 - 2013-10-17 00:22:30 UTC
I have had a **** week after two glorious ones.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
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