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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#141 - 2013-10-15 18:51:58 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

To be fair, though, you have a bad habit of thinking you've spanked everyone. I rarely, if ever, see you defer to a good argument or compromise your position in light of opposing evidence.


That's because the people I usually post against don't actually provide evidence. I post links and they dismiss them, they post ill conceived and unsubstantiated BS and call it evidence.

No sir, i have spanked the people in question as evidenced by the overwhelming support of my forum peers (we call em likes!) and by the fact that these guys can do nothing but snipe at me from the sidelines.

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But, in this case, there's very little to argue with you on. And if there is something, then no one's brought it up yet.


As is usually the case! Excelsior and all that.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2013-10-15 18:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
That post actually highlights my point quite nicely. Other people will see what I'm talking about, but you likely won't, and I'm not going to argue with you on this one because... well, you won't defer, and it would be a waste of my time. In any case, this thread isn't about you or me or Anslo or anyone, and I'm still waiting for this definition of 'mean' and how it applies to the posts here so far.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Kimsemus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#143 - 2013-10-15 18:58:07 UTC
Honestly, we both gave our sides of the issue.

Please refer to my post on Page 5 for my personal opinion on the issue.

For those of you whom say we should feel bad because he's sick: Please. We didn't know he was at the time we killed him, and even if we did, it wouldn't have stopped us, because we don't apply the same moral code in EVE that what would IRL. If he is sick I truly sympathize with his plight as a human being, but I feel nothing as an EVE player.

The irrefutable fact is: He died, and then he attempted to guilt us over it.

Your IRL situation is completely irrelevant to gameplay. Players die every day by the hundreds because we have to take a bio break ratting, or we get distracted by the TV, or our significant others are naked and want a romp and don't have time to dock, or we're sick, or we're just having a bad day. It's unrealistic and foolish to get into a moral quandary or to sit and ask how someone's day was before we kill them so we can make a quantifiable decision as to whether or not to haze them or not.

I too, like any PVPer, have lost ships because I was distracted. I've even been scammed because I was naive/gullible. It is what it is and I don't fault the other person for killing me every time I die.

I do not, at any point, feel like we scammed him. I don't think we did anything morally questionable. He felt he had some kind of information regarding who our cyno pilot was that he never even asked to confirm, or confirm in any channel, or look at a corp history (which has been obvious to posters here looking at the toon involved), nor did he question the cyno being lit in the wrong system, nor did he stop from jumping in a second carrier fully at least 15-30 seconds after his first was engaged by us.

Take the RL guilt trip away, and this is simply a case of a player being careless and failing even the most basic precautions when dealing with capital ships. Our KB doesn't accurately reflect his losses, we popped 7-8 billion worth of his things which would upset anyone, surely. I'm not even mocking him for his loss, I'm upset that he wants to make us feel bad for PVPing.

Again, as a human being living in the world, if he is sick, I truly feel for him, I hope he gets better, and I would never wish to see another person suffer. I mourned Vile Rat's death as an American and a person, even though he was from an "enemy" alliance. But as a player in the game, our fleets engaged his fleets all the same. Same for this fellow. I appropriate him the same level of hostility any other neutral, regardless of whom he is. In this way, we are not wrong, we are in fact the most even-handed and just kind of players we can possibly be.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#144 - 2013-10-15 18:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Raxlaa wrote:
Perhaps we can make it so if you do suffer from particular hardships in real life at the oment, you could apply for some kind of 'bumper sticker' or 'L' plates or ismilar to put on your ships?

Then others would know that this player is having a hard time in real life, and could avoid ganking / stealing / scamming their stuff and laughing?


Though thats a bit impractical, and I daresay would have the exact opposite effect.


So perhaps, instead, if you are in an emotionally sensitive situation you shouldn't expose yourself to opportunities or risks that may hurt you emotionally. Especially where pre-warned and forearmed with the knowledge a situation may actually turn bad.





Seriously. This.

There's a ton of people with issues playing. It's a game of half a million people, so obviously a fair few have a story and have a **** hand dealt to them in life but you won't know because mostly they just get on with it, but some people come to the forums and tell all, for who knows what reason.

Like that American solider who wanted plex the other day. Or the incursion guy who has tumors. Maybe it's a cry for help whooooo knows.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#145 - 2013-10-15 19:04:05 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
That post actually highlights my point quite nicely. Other people will see what I'm talking about, but you likely won't, and I'm not going to argue with you on this one because... well, you won't defer, and it would be a waste of my time. In any case, this thread isn't about you or me or Anslo or anyone, and I'm still waiting for this definition of 'mean' and how it applies to the posts here so far.


You can't take a joke can you?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2013-10-15 19:04:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Jenn aSide wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
That post actually highlights my point quite nicely. Other people will see what I'm talking about, but you likely won't, and I'm not going to argue with you on this one because... well, you won't defer, and it would be a waste of my time. In any case, this thread isn't about you or me or Anslo or anyone, and I'm still waiting for this definition of 'mean' and how it applies to the posts here so far.


You can't take a joke can you?


I may have mentioned my autism to you previously.... I forget. I take almost everything literally by default. I'm getting better, and with people I'm close to, like my alliance mates on Mumble, I can tell joking from serious because I know them well enough to have built a rapport.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#147 - 2013-10-15 19:20:04 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
That post actually highlights my point quite nicely. Other people will see what I'm talking about, but you likely won't, and I'm not going to argue with you on this one because... well, you won't defer, and it would be a waste of my time. In any case, this thread isn't about you or me or Anslo or anyone, and I'm still waiting for this definition of 'mean' and how it applies to the posts here so far.


You can't take a joke can you?


I may have mentioned my autism to you previously.... I forget. I take almost everything literally by default. I'm getting better, and with people I'm close to, like my alliance mates on Mumble, I can tell joking from serious because I know them well enough to have built a rapport.


I understand that, my step daughter is autistic. I will remember that in the future.
Nonoyesyes
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#148 - 2013-10-15 19:21:44 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#149 - 2013-10-15 19:22:28 UTC


1.) From personal experience, I concur: Cancer sucks... sorry your going through it.

2.) Just because it was the same character doesn't mean it was the same player. I wonder if this is the case here.

3.) It doesn't matter if you are recovering from brain surgery after being shot in the head for advocating woman should be educated. It doesn't matter if you are some super-lucky, 100m dollar lottery winner. Your out of game "ups and downs" are generally completely independent of what happens in game. You got ganked joining a corp. Sorry, tough luck, live and learn. Some lessons are only learned under the harshest of conditions.

4.) Replacing 10b in losses hurts... but if you've earned it once, you know you can earn it again. Move in slowly, and be cautious about it next time you join a corp.

5.) There are three ways you could respond to this:
Do Nothing... rebuild, etc.... I can see how this might be demotivating and hinder your desire to play.
Character Suicide, which should never be the answer....
or
Homicide... Seriously, no other aspect of this game should provide such strong motivation as this. Start plotting your vengeance, and serve it up cold! It's very easy to deal 10b in damage to an entity like NC., so do it!

Psyrus Baine
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#150 - 2013-10-15 19:28:52 UTC
I am not here looking for anyone's opinion or what ever else you decide to spew. I was the only person left playing eve in my corp. I am not a member of any other forum that would let people know why I have BEEN gone and MIGHT be gone for awhile longer.

The people that was expecting me back by some off chance might see this and know why I might not be back and its not by my own choice.

If you don't understand that then you might want to step outside and enjoy a breath of fresh air while you can because that is something that can be taken from anyone in a blink of an eye.

For all the trolls that want to poke fun I am glad to entertain you. God Speed to those that actually understand.

The person that was in the channel where i was the night before was treated like a friend by everyone in the channel. NO ONE ever said anything about not to trust him and everyone knew i was going to need a cyno to get over where they all play. Ya shame on me for trusting someone that was treated like a friend. If you ever face anything that ever tests your will to even get the strength to try and make it through another day maybe you will understand. Good for you on your kill mails I am glad I was able to pad your stats.
I came back to play and think about anything else that just might let me think about anything but what is actually happening in real life.

I have played along time and understand you loose ships, But when you get people that actually pretend to be a friend then get screwed over ya it sucks. Loosing the ships is minor to the time I lost which is more valuable than 10000 carriers. Even the other people in the channel thought of you as a friend. Its a shame that you haven't actually made real friends from playing eve. I have friends that came here over 10 years ago that has become some very close and good real life friends that unfortunately has moved on with wife and kids and no longer have time to play. Well I have lost all the people in real life that I thought I could trust to help me though this which takes allot time and I don't expect anyone to sacrifice for me. I never said I am 100% been told i am going to die, right now I am winning the battle but still have more tests in faith I will be around a long time to come. You have no idea what a person has to endure when faced with any kind of debilitating illness.

If you don't know who I am then no one ever said you have to read anything I have posted. Somehow you think you are being forced to read any of this and that's pretty messed up you cant understand the reason why I would like the people who do know me to understand why I haven't been playing, why I am back to try play again. And facing the real possibility why there is a reason I might not get to play in the future.

If i do decide to play which I have been given some very good reasons to stay and play. Please feel free to make fun of me all you want, if you think your pathetic remarks will make me feel bad then you truly do not understand much about life. Please feel free to put me on your list and send me remarks etc that way I know if something bad does happen in real life I wont be forgotten and I actually made some pathetic low life think about more than just a kill mail or a game.
Kimsemus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2013-10-15 19:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimsemus
Psyrus Baine wrote:
I am not here looking for anyone's opinion or what ever else you decide to spew. I was the only person left playing eve in my corp. I am not a member of any other forum that would let people know why I have BEEN gone and MIGHT be gone for awhile longer.

The people that was expecting me back by some off chance might see this and know why I might not be back and its not by my own choice.


No, it very much is your own choice. You are choosing to quit. No one made that decision for you. You still have your toon and your wallet. As the old adage says: "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose."
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If you don't understand that then you might want to step outside and enjoy a breath of fresh air while you can because that is something that can be taken from anyone in a blink of an eye.

For all the trolls that want to poke fun I am glad to entertain you. God Speed to those that actually understand.

The person that was in the channel where i was the night before was treated like a friend by everyone in the channel. NO ONE ever said anything about not to trust him and everyone knew i was going to need a cyno to get over where they all play. Ya shame on me for trusting someone that was treated like a friend.


You didn't know him at all. That was the first time you've ever spoken to him except for his interactions with the other people in the channel because you had been away from game.

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If you ever face anything that ever tests your will to even get the strength to try and make it through another day maybe you will understand. Good for you on your kill mails I am glad I was able to pad your stats.
I came back to play and think about anything else that just might let me think about anything but what is actually happening in real life.

I have played along time and understand you loose ships, But when you get people that actually pretend to be a friend then get screwed over ya it sucks. Loosing the ships is minor to the time I lost which is more valuable than 10000 carriers. Even the other people in the channel thought of you as a friend. Its a shame that you haven't actually made real friends from playing eve. I have friends that came here over 10 years ago that has become some very close and good real life friends that unfortunately has moved on with wife and kids and no longer have time to play.



You came back to play a game. We play that game too, friend. And in that game we PVP. You do not exist in an MMO in stasis because you're using it as an escape. Social interactions are what make the game what it is. Nor do you get a pass.

I'm his friend, I would follow him anywhere, which is why when he needed an FC for this operations I stepped up without question. All the other people in the fleet know him and within game context we would happily fight and die for one another. We hang out and spend time together on TS and know about each others personal lives and play other games together. Your statement is judgmental and ignorant.

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Well I have lost all the people in real life that I thought I could trust to help me though this which takes allot time and I don't expect anyone to sacrifice for me. I never said I am 100% been told i am going to die, right now I am winning the battle but still have more tests in faith I will be around a long time to come. You have no idea what a person has to endure when faced with any kind of debilitating illness.


Actually, you said precisely that: http://i.imgur.com/nbwif2x.jpg Look towards the bottom, you can play symantics with the wording but you implied you had six months to live, erego you were going to die. You in fact used that exactly as a weapon of guilt. Furthermore you don't know us any more than we know you, you have no idea what we go through, you only know we haven't used it against you.

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If you don't know who I am then no one ever said you have to read anything I have posted. Somehow you think you are being forced to read any of this and that's pretty messed up you cant understand the reason why I would like the people who do know me to understand why I haven't been playing, why I am back to try play again. And facing the real possibility why there is a reason I might not get to play in the future.

If I do decide to play which I have been given some very good reasons to stay and play. Please feel free to make fun of me all you want, if you think your pathetic remarks will make me feel bad then you truly do not understand much about life. Please feel free to put me on your list and send me remarks etc that way I know if something bad does happen in real life I wont be forgotten and I actually made some pathetic low life think about more than just a kill mail or a game.


If you really wanted certain people to know you weren't going to play now and weren't trying to guilt post and make a scene why not send those select people an EVEmail? Why go through all this trouble? You were trying to curtail favor to your side, that's why.

Losing your ships is a bad excuse not to play. If you want to come back and play with those people do so and have a good time. You don't need what you lost for that.

I'm not making fun of you, nor have I. Look man, you seem to be in a pretty low point in life... just chin up. It's a video game. It was just time and pixels you lost. You still have the people whom are your friends and the people you came back to play with. Don't take it personally and don't internalize it. You may not like the person that "tricked" you, or me, or NCDOT, or a lot of people, and you don't have to. Exact your revenge within context of the game, that's why it's a sandbox. Or throw in the towel. It's up to you.

If you are sick, I wish you all the wellness and recovery in the world. I truly wish you to have a very long, healthy, and enriching life of positivity and happiness.

As an EVE player: gf.
Josef Djugashvilis
#152 - 2013-10-15 19:57:43 UTC
Seriously ill person is upset and has a bit of a rant.

Let him be, ranting will probably lighten his mood for a while.

Hope you make a good recovery.

This is not a signature.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2013-10-15 19:58:39 UTC
Psyrus Baine wrote:
I am not here looking for anyone's opinion or what ever else you decide to spew. I was the only person left playing eve in my corp. I am not a member of any other forum that would let people know why I have BEEN gone and MIGHT be gone for awhile longer.

The people that was expecting me back by some off chance might see this and know why I might not be back and its not by my own choice.


Doesn't matter. Post in a public forum, get public opinion. You might not be looking for it, but you're going to get it and you should expect it. If you were looking to inform specific people of a specific thing, you have at your disposal the in-game EVE-mail service. But this is not all you did. You also tried to shame the people that attacked you.

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If you don't understand that then you might want to step outside and enjoy a breath of fresh air while you can because that is something that can be taken from anyone in a blink of an eye.


This is true, for anyone, whether they have cancer or not. A lesson we all know well with the loss of Vile Rat. Why does a potentially terminal illness grant you special circumstances? That is not a rhetorical question, I'd actually like an answer.

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For all the trolls that want to poke fun I am glad to entertain you. God Speed to those that actually understand.


Which god? I'm an atheist, so attempting to shame me or anyone else that might be one with this god you speak of will be somewhat fruitless.

And I won't address the rest of your post as it just comes across as another attempt to guilt trip everyone into feeling sorry for you. You screwed up in game, you paid the price in game. How it affects anything going on in the real world for you is beyond me, but then again, I have a decent grasp on reality and I'm able to separate it from fictional game worlds. As I've stated previously, you knew what you were logging into the moment you logged in. I will address one small comment you made, however, that pissed me off somewhat.

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You have no idea what a person has to endure when faced with any kind of debilitating illness.


And you have no idea what anyone on these forums or in this game has had to endure. Nor do you have any idea what anyone in this game has an idea of. This was a very presumptuous thing to say and by virtue of the presumption, quite rude and arrogant. Perhaps, if you toned back the attitude and the blaming somewhat, people might be a little more lenient with you. Thus far, you've given no one a reason to feel any sympathy for you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#154 - 2013-10-15 19:58:50 UTC
Now would be a good time for us all to just take a step back and relax. Someone earlier mentioned some neapolitan ice cream. I'm going to go to the store now and buy myself some. And I'm going to eat all three flavors equally. We should all do the same.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#155 - 2013-10-15 20:03:31 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Now would be a good time for us all to just take a step back and relax. Someone earlier mentioned some neapolitan ice cream WEED. I'm going to go to the store DOPE HOUSE now and buy myself some. And I'm going to eatSMOKE all three flavors BLUNTS equally. We should all do the same.


fixed
Psyrus Baine
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#156 - 2013-10-15 20:13:47 UTC
You go ahead and justify what ever you want. I have met people like you in the past. You never want any side of a story to ever put you in a bad light or want to believe that they are nothing but the best. I am glad I make you put up post after post to justify yourself.

If you truly was this great eve player then you wouldn't have to justify the actions of a person pretending to be a friend of the people that was in the channel or even reply to a post that never once mentioned your name directly or anyone's name at that. Even the people that was there have stated here they even thought they was on good terms with each other.

So please post some more I think its funny to watch you keep trying to justify yours and his actions. Please post some more because I then know I am getting under your skin. I hope you go to bed at night thinking about what else you can post on this thread that was not even for you in the first place. Glad I could help you feel like your a good player because your are obviously a pathetic person in real life. Go take a trip to the hospital and make fun of the people there that are having to deal with any kind of chemo treatments I would love to read about you being tossed from a window. SO shut your mouth go ask your mom if you can suckle for a bit so you can feel better about not knowing what it is like to understand about situations that deal with real life and not a game.
Kimsemus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#157 - 2013-10-15 20:20:09 UTC
Psyrus Baine wrote:
You go ahead and justify what ever you want. I have met people like you in the past. You never want any side of a story to ever put you in a bad light or want to believe that they are nothing but the best. I am glad I make you put up post after post to justify yourself.

If you truly was this great eve player then you wouldn't have to justify the actions of a person pretending to be a friend of the people that was in the channel or even reply to a post that never once mentioned your name directly or anyone's name at that. Even the people that was there have stated here they even thought they was on good terms with each other.

So please post some more I think its funny to watch you keep trying to justify yours and his actions. Please post some more because I then know I am getting under your skin. I hope you go to bed at night thinking about what else you can post on this thread that was not even for you in the first place. Glad I could help you feel like your a good player because your are obviously a pathetic person in real life. Go take a trip to the hospital and make fun of the people there that are having to deal with any kind of chemo treatments I would love to read about you being tossed from a window. SO shut your mouth go ask your mom if you can suckle for a bit so you can feel better about not knowing what it is like to understand about situations that deal with real life and not a game.


Will all due respect sir, you seem much, much more upset than I am. In fact I believe the kangaroo court would agree that on these forums I have been nothing but polite to you.

I have simply given my perspective and a polite and professional manner while disagreeing with you. Unlike the last few lines of this post, I have never said anything ill of you personally.

You are in fact, being quite judgmental and rude towards me and my associates. I would be upset...but I still have my carriers, sir. :)

gf.
Rattman
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#158 - 2013-10-15 20:21:07 UTC
Lets also be completely honest you are joining ronnag alba who are former members of NC. and left on good terms. But who have also attacking and killing NC ships in / around catch.

That make you a completely legal target as far as i am concerne
Baaldor
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#159 - 2013-10-15 20:23:49 UTC
Psyrus Baine wrote:
You go ahead and justify what ever you want. I have met people like you in the past. You never want any side of a story to ever put you in a bad light or want to believe that they are nothing but the best. I am glad I make you put up post after post to justify yourself.

If you truly was this great eve player then you wouldn't have to justify the actions of a person pretending to be a friend of the people that was in the channel or even reply to a post that never once mentioned your name directly or anyone's name at that. Even the people that was there have stated here they even thought they was on good terms with each other.

So please post some more I think its funny to watch you keep trying to justify yours and his actions. Please post some more because I then know I am getting under your skin. I hope you go to bed at night thinking about what else you can post on this thread that was not even for you in the first place. Glad I could help you feel like your a good player because your are obviously a pathetic person in real life. Go take a trip to the hospital and make fun of the people there that are having to deal with any kind of chemo treatments I would love to read about you being tossed from a window. SO shut your mouth go ask your mom if you can suckle for a bit so you can feel better about not knowing what it is like to understand about situations that deal with real life and not a game.



Ok you just went from border line maybe ok, to full fledged sandy va jay jay **** bag.
Abulurd Boniface
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2013-10-15 20:27:56 UTC
I hope you're doing better and that you will make a complete recovery.

OTOH, if you're an old hand, you know what kind of place it is. It is supremely unforgiving. If you're not up to joining the mosh pit that is the depths of New Eden space, don't log in.

The people who invite you don't know / care / believe you went through a medical episode and they are not supposed to have to care about these things.

We've seen something similar when Mittens took on the depressed guy.

If you're not in shape, don't log in. Nobody will think less of you if your health does not permit you to join, but once you log in and you click the 'Undock' button you're in the zoo, man. And you know this. You've been here before.

Get well, find your strength. Be healthy.

When you're back to your old self, you remember their names. You plot your revenge.

Godspeed!