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Moon mining reactions and POSes
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g1b50n
Wisdom and Technology
#1 - 2013-10-13 15:21:31 UTC
Hi guys... I want to start moon mining in my system. Im kinda new in this topic so i've read few guides and i come up with this idea - i want to produce advanced materials but i dont get it one thing - simple reactions give you 200u output and advanced reactions needs 2x100u input (my case) so can i double output of advanced materials by putting up two large poses?

Schematics would look like this:

1st caldari medium tower:

moon harvester ----
------------------------------ simple reactor ------ silo (200u output 1st compound)
moon harvester ----

2nd caldari medium tower:

moon harvester ------------
--------------------------- ------------ simple reactor ------ silo (200u output 2nd compound)
silo ( hauled material ) ----

3rd caldari large tower:

silo (100u 1st compound) -----
------------------------------------------- complex reactor ------- silo (10000u advanced materials)
silo (100u 2nd compound) ----

4rd caldari large tower:

silo (100u 1st compound) -----
------------------------------------------- complex reactor ------- silo (10000u advanced materials)
silo (100u 2nd compound) ----




Will this work??? or am i getting sth wrong??

Many thanks in advance!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#2 - 2013-10-13 16:56:36 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
If you're careful, you can run an advanced reactor and a simple reactor on a Caldari large POS. So for a 2 input advanced reaction each POS would look like this:

2 Base material Silo -> Simple Reactor (200 unit/hr)> Collection Silo (nets 100unit/hr) + Second input Silo > (uses 100unit/hr from each silo) Advanced Reactor > Silo

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g1b50n
Wisdom and Technology
#3 - 2013-10-13 17:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: g1b50n
Jesus thats brilliant!!!! So i can squeeze 2 med + 2 large into 2 large poses!!

1st caldari large tower:

moon harvester ----
------------------------------ simple reactor ------ silo (200u output 1st compound)----------------
moon harvester ----
..................................................................................................................................| complex reactor ---- silo

----------------------------------------------------------silo (100u 2nd compound from 2nd pos)------

2st caldari large tower:

moon harvester ----
------------------------------ simple reactor ------ silo (200u output 2nd compound)----------------
silo---------------------
..................................................................................................................................| complex reactor ---- silo

----------------------------------------------------------silo (100u 1st compound from 1st pos)------


Will this work?? I read that you cant take from silo when is online... that can be a problem...
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#4 - 2013-10-13 19:07:01 UTC
http://eve.1019.net/pos/


Just don't offline them to shuffle materials around while the fuel ticks over. Not that big of a deal now that the online timer's 5 seconds instead of 5 minutes.

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g1b50n
Wisdom and Technology
#5 - 2013-10-13 19:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: g1b50n
I don't get it... how can i shuffle materials between silos without offlining them?


oh... i read that you can offline them between cycles, never 5sec before/after... than it will all work 24h... is that correct?
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2013-10-14 01:12:13 UTC
Pretty much yes. Your tower cycles once an hour and if a silo is offline during the 1 second this cycle takes the material that was supposed to go into this silo is destroyed. As long as all silos are online during this 1 second cycle period everything will be fine.

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g1b50n
Wisdom and Technology
#7 - 2013-10-14 06:51:00 UTC
Thank You guys... i got all what i needed to know!
Zenith Gravit
LionGate Enterprises
#8 - 2013-10-15 02:24:31 UTC
If I may piggy back on this thread, is it possible to have 2 complex reactors pulling from and emptying into the same silos?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#9 - 2013-10-15 06:14:27 UTC
No.


The best way to sort out reactions is to set a tower up on SISI.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#10 - 2013-10-15 12:19:05 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
No.


The best way to sort out reactions is to set a tower up on SISI.


seconding this

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#11 - 2013-10-15 13:10:24 UTC
Batelle wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
No.


The best way to sort out reactions is to set a tower up on SISI.


seconding this


confirmed.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-10-18 13:12:22 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Batelle wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
No.


The best way to sort out reactions is to set a tower up on SISI.


seconding this


confirmed.


UNLESS...... it is your corp towers in which case showing any ability to run these things will saddle you with annoying work. Do NOT let them know you can do this.

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Zenith Gravit
LionGate Enterprises
#13 - 2013-10-18 14:08:44 UTC
Too late. I was already up to my eyeballs in spreadsheets and eve-central API pulls before I knew what was going on. I don't mind it though, RL snuck up and bit me so with the small bits of time I have to play this makes me feel useful.
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#14 - 2013-10-18 17:43:20 UTC
Zenith Gravit wrote:
If I may piggy back on this thread, is it possible to have 2 complex reactors pulling from and emptying into the same silos?


i don't think its even possible to fit two complex reactors on a single large tower.
Zenith Gravit
LionGate Enterprises
#15 - 2013-10-18 17:47:51 UTC
Iosue wrote:
Zenith Gravit wrote:
If I may piggy back on this thread, is it possible to have 2 complex reactors pulling from and emptying into the same silos?


i don't think its even possible to fit two complex reactors on a single large tower.


Pretty sure after asking I remember finding a browser based POS fitting tool, I thought I managed to get a large Caldari to work with 6 silos and 2 complex reactors. Absolutely nothing else though.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#16 - 2013-10-18 17:55:41 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Batelle wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
No.


The best way to sort out reactions is to set a tower up on SISI.


seconding this


confirmed.


UNLESS...... it is your corp towers in which case showing any ability to run these things will saddle you with annoying work. Do NOT let them know you can do this.



If you're on Sisi you can setup your own corp, give yourself roles, and test it all out without your corpmates knowing!

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Systematic Risk
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#17 - 2013-10-20 16:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Systematic Risk
Careful, cowboy. That production line is going to make you empty your POS every 2.3 days. Enjoy slavery.


Your original idea works, technically, but it is going to kill your margins with fuel costs devouring your overhead.

Ideally, you would want to run the whole operation on two moons, but that is unlikely due to the rarity of that scenario.

This setup is likely --

Moon A -- Caldari Small POS -- Harvester -- 1 silo (export)

Moon B -- Caldari Large
--> Harvester A -- Simple Reactor --> Silo A (export) --> Complex Reactor --> Silo C -> Silo D
--> Harvester B -- Simple Reactor Silo B (import) --> Complex Reactor

Moon C - Caldari Large
--> Harvester C --> Simple Reactor --> Silo E (export) --> Complex Reactor --> Silo F -> Silo G
--> Silo G (Moon A import) --> Simple Reactor Silo H (import)--> Complex Reactor **

** You are only using one complex reactor and one simple reactor per POS. To "draw" this on the forum required that I make it look like you used two for the sake of illustration.

You need to use Caldari POS for CPU concerns. Whilst the small POS can be any race, you will find that with the volume of fuel blocks that you will be exhausting you want to maintain coherency between your entire operation.

You will be exporting your basic material from Moon A to Moon C to pair up with the other basic material to make your simple component (F). Note that the SIMPLE REACTION from both POS will produce 200x cycle while only 100x will be consumed by the COMPLEX REACTION. This means that if you improperly link your chain, connecting it directly into the COMPLEX REACTOR, you will lose 100x units per hour. With this setup, you will be swapping the SIMPLE component between POS to provide a reagent for your COMPLEX REACTION. In other words, the middle silo will store 1/2 of the simple reaction and feed the remaining 1/2 for your advanced production.

You will want to make sure that you chain your end point silos. This allows them to spill over doubling their storage capacity. This setup will not allow you to fit any electronic warfare mods to your POS; however, you must resign yourself to the fact that an advanced reaction POS cannot be setup as an effective death or dickstar anyway, and the motely collection of guns that you put up around it will more likely be used for show than anything else. I suggest you make friends if someone comes to reinforce your barely profitable reaction chain.

CAVEAT -- This setup is vulnerable to CCP's poorly designed moon siphon; mainly, in the essential simple reaction middle silo that is necessary to swap agents. Write your GM today!
g1b50n
Wisdom and Technology
#18 - 2013-11-13 23:03:19 UTC
After one month of doing that i can tell you this - i got around 1B passive income (4large towers/ four complex reactions) with crappy R4/R8/one R16 moons in my system... i even have to haul from jita one R8 and R16 mineral for doing this... i included in this jf fuel, system rental/sov fee and fuel for those poses... hell i dont even haul it through high-sec (red frog service)... i just have to visit my towers every 2-3 days to empty the siloses (15min every 2 days)... lol... slavery?? come on... can you do this doing pi with one unskilled char as mine is??? :) its just perfect solution for me... and i can focus on doing other carebear activities :) without paying rent :) sure... my defences on those poses sucks badly but... come on... really? bigger fleet comp can take out any pos without a single loss (logis ftw). Thanks again RubyPorto for this useful idea!!! Lol