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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#21 - 2013-10-13 09:44:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
I don't like defending SC on the Eve forums, because I don't think it's release will affect Eve much at all. And I don't think it will be anywhere near as good as it's making out it will be.

That said most of the people in here don't know what they're talking about;

"It's not an MMO"

They will be hosting dedicated servers with 100 systems, each system holding up to 1000 people. That's more people online than Eve has ever had. Therefore it's an MMO. An MMO that also allows you to host your own server if you so wish.

"Instance based"

So is Eve. When you put a cap on the number of people within a location because of hardware restrictions or otherwise and that location is only accessible by loading between locations, it's an instance. Simple as that.

"It's vaporware"

They have a detailed release scheduled and give regular updates on where they are at, amending the release scheduled as they go. So far they have not been late by even a single day on any next release patch/update. It's going to get finished. As for kickstarter "scams", the legality of it is very tight. If the game were never released, getting your money back is easy.

Just to clarify, I do think it's over-hyped and I don't think it will be as good as it sounds but a lot of people here are in denial because they think Eve is the best thing since antibiotics (this is the Eve forums, after all). It will probably attract a much larger playerbase than Eve, and that's not difficult.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Flamespar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-10-13 09:45:46 UTC
Dunno. Star Citizen will either be amazing or the victim of its own overblown hype.

A lesson CCP has learned?
Frying Doom
#23 - 2013-10-13 09:55:53 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
It will probably attract a much larger playerbase than Eve, and that's not difficult.

272,759 Subscribers and the game is not due out for 18 months, I think we can easily say it will have a much larger playerbase than EvE.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ludate
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-10-13 10:05:50 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Kickstarter is the best scam going at the moment...give us money and we MIGHT do something. 22mil for little more than vaporware? I really have to get on that wagon.

Agreed here!
Serptimis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-10-13 10:07:14 UTC
If it isn't an enormous time sink that feels like a second job and is mostly played whilst being alt tabbed out browsing the internet then I am not not interested.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-10-13 11:31:56 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
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Maybe I'll give this whole kickstarter thing a try. I could start an internet spaceship gambling company. I'll tell investors that I will make money by selling GTC's and getting affiliate commissions. I'll kick back some game currency credits towards the purchases to make it a no-brainer to buy game time through my company rather than, um, the game company itself. Then after I raise a few million, I'll do my best to implement it. If I end up spending all the millions of dollars on my salary, expenses, and friends I hire as consultants, oh well at least I tried.


I get what you're referring to and yeah the whole idea of gambling on people doing something is stupid isnt it?
That could be because every smartass parasite is hopping up and down waiting to jump on anything and suck all the life and power out of it. There's nothing can be invested without 95% of it being eaten by hungry worthless ghosts.
I dunno, maybe posting daily and never having any insight or a single original thought is your 'style'. If so well done, an astonishingly consistent effort.



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ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
#27 - 2013-10-13 12:06:31 UTC
Serptimis wrote:
If it isn't an enormous time sink that feels like a second job and is mostly played whilst being alt tabbed out browsing the internet then I am not not interested.


alt tabbing out of star would mean ya not dooing anythingh at that time.. and proberly death when ya come back. yarr ;p

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#28 - 2013-10-13 23:44:30 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Kickstarter is the best scam going at the moment...give us money and we MIGHT do something. 22mil for little more than vaporware? I really have to get on that wagon.


To be honest, this is the creator of Wing Commander we're talking about. Star Citizen looks epic. I intend to get it, play it, but I'll never leave EVE.


You may also want to invest in Crazy Eddie .
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#29 - 2013-10-13 23:52:57 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game

Anyone have any thoughts on this, my brother just showed me it, its already made $22,000,000 in kickstart money... apparently its gonna be Eve but real Sim, and u can walk around in space stations, in your ship, have friends jump on your gun turrets... etc

I just got back into Eve and of course someone has to make a new fricken MMO ...


I wish them well, there's room enough for everyone, star citizen will be good for eve and vice versa.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-10-14 00:08:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
it's really on a different scale. just like WiS is an apparent deadend for eve, massive fleet fights will probably be a no no for SC.

it's not an MMO either. it's privateer/wing commander.

and that dude who's producing it also made some horrifically bad movies in his interim career.

still want.

forums.  serious business.
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-10-14 01:11:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Anomaly One
Nothing like eve
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-10-14 01:31:23 UTC
EvE will never die for one simple reason. People actually pay a monthly fee to CCP just so they can **** all over them and their creations. So long as CCP continues to allow people to insult them on these forums, they'll be fine. And also, a thank you to those people for their continued funding of the best MMO since Ultima Online.
Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#33 - 2013-10-14 04:12:35 UTC
If SC delivers on its promises... Eve WILL get hurt!
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#34 - 2013-10-14 04:30:27 UTC
I came to Eve because Roberts last game was no longer being developed by microshit.

Its funny that "carebears" catch all kinds of **** in Eve, but in Freelancer the server had the choice to make PvP cost you or not. I always played on servers that had this option "on". Yes, it was a PvP gives you "real loss" game pre dating Eve, and the dog-fighting was twitch based, and fun as hell.

I doubt that it will harm Eve, but if its as good as Freelancer by todays standard it will definitely cut into PCU.

Cant wait to play it, doubt that I'll unsub here over it though.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#35 - 2013-10-14 08:05:29 UTC
Question: Who's gonna bother playing EVE, if they can play online the same kind of games they liked to play offline?

Now add how EVE's future development is aimed (apparently) at rewarding the nullsec crowd at the expense (apparently) of everyone else; add how EVE's marketing efforts (and costs) are skyrocketing and yet PCU barely is going up; add how CCP's development efforts are spreading thinner and thinner as they keep adding stuff to their portfolio but only have a single source of income; and you'll see a writing on the wall.

And the writing says: niche-locked at <20,000 PCU forever.

When videogame historians look back at the demise of EVE in a future, they will point different key moments to understand it.

The first key moment will be the failure to implement avatar gameplay in 2011.
The second key moment will be the inception of the Hallelujah Plan as answer to a changing environment.

Giving up on populating the borderlands and then lock yourself at your stronghold is not a way to defend your niche against invaders.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#36 - 2013-10-14 08:10:23 UTC


Looks a bit too "North American"

For my




tastes

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-10-14 10:19:01 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Question: Who's gonna bother playing EVE, if they can play online the same kind of games they liked to play offline?

Now add how EVE's future development is aimed (apparently) at rewarding the nullsec crowd at the expense (apparently) of everyone else; add how EVE's marketing efforts (and costs) are skyrocketing and yet PCU barely is going up; add how CCP's development efforts are spreading thinner and thinner as they keep adding stuff to their portfolio but only have a single source of income; and you'll see a writing on the wall.

And the writing says: niche-locked at <20,000 PCU forever.

When videogame historians look back at the demise of EVE in a future, they will point different key moments to understand it.

The first key moment will be the failure to implement avatar gameplay in 2011.
The second key moment will be the inception of the Hallelujah Plan as answer to a changing environment.

Giving up on populating the borderlands and then lock yourself at your stronghold is not a way to defend your niche against invaders.


How I felt when I made this thread, but im not as good with explaining it.

If its gonna be Freelancer MMO ... im sorry but im gone... that game was the bomb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Frying Doom
#38 - 2013-10-14 10:27:04 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Question: Who's gonna bother playing EVE, if they can play online the same kind of games they liked to play offline?

Now add how EVE's future development is aimed (apparently) at rewarding the nullsec crowd at the expense (apparently) of everyone else; add how EVE's marketing efforts (and costs) are skyrocketing and yet PCU barely is going up; add how CCP's development efforts are spreading thinner and thinner as they keep adding stuff to their portfolio but only have a single source of income; and you'll see a writing on the wall.

And the writing says: niche-locked at <20,000 PCU forever.

When videogame historians look back at the demise of EVE in a future, they will point different key moments to understand it.

The first key moment will be the failure to implement avatar gameplay in 2011.
The second key moment will be the inception of the Hallelujah Plan as answer to a changing environment.

Giving up on populating the borderlands and then lock yourself at your stronghold is not a way to defend your niche against invaders.


How I felt when I made this thread, but im not as good with explaining it.

If its gonna be Freelancer MMO ... im sorry but im gone... that game was the bomb

How I started playing EvE was I searched for an updated Elite, the site I was one said that EvE was the new Elite. Now the game was great when I started but I must admit my intrest goes down as each year and each broken promise goes by.

When I heard they were making a new Elite I was rapt, but in looking at the kick starter for Elite, I came across Star Citizen

And all I can say is, I have not looked forward to a game so much since I saw Elite for my commodore 64 all those years ago.

Will I need to update my computer: Yes
Will I need to by a new joystick : Yes, well a flight control system
Will I buy a trackIR just to make it more fun: Hell Yes

All I can say is Star Citizen, shut up and take my money Big smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2013-10-14 11:05:01 UTC
That one looks like a miner-made born-old costly China imitation of Eve to me.Smile
Velicitia
XS Tech
#40 - 2013-10-14 11:27:23 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
I don't like defending SC on the Eve forums, because I don't think it's release will affect Eve much at all. And I don't think it will be anywhere near as good as it's making out it will be.

That said most of the people in here don't know what they're talking about;

"It's not an MMO"

They will be hosting dedicated servers with 100 systems, each system holding up to 1000 people. That's more people online than Eve has ever had. Therefore it's an MMO. An MMO that also allows you to host your own server if you so wish.



it has the potential to have more players online than eve. but you're assuming 100 systems at max capacity. Now, I really haven't read much on it ... but do your actions in system 'A' affect system 'B'?

Arduemont wrote:

"Instance based"

So is Eve. When you put a cap on the number of people within a location because of hardware restrictions or otherwise and that location is only accessible by loading between locations, it's an instance. Simple as that.


So there are limitations to jumping between systems. You're more arguing against the "single server" selling point than "not instanced". The closest thing to "instanced content" in EVE are those damnable missions that require you picking up a keycard ... though any one of the 15 I have in my hangar will let me through that same acceleration gate.

"Instanced" content is that which once you start it, it is yours and yours alone. No one that is outside your group can get into it and affect what you're doing.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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