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How to win against those people that use mentat to update orders.

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LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#1 - 2013-10-10 17:57:57 UTC
I wanted to not post this but I can't see any way that its going to upset my trading, tbh it will hurt the people I hate most...

I hate programs like mentat that allow players to copy paste increments of what they like, causing me and other players to have to type numbers every time we need to update our orders. It drives me mental because of fat fingers, so I did use mentat then I saw its actually slower to update orders by alt tabbing between mentat and eve to copy paste, not to mention how long it takes to actually import market data so that it can do its magic. I began to absolutely hate that program, it has ruined trading for me because every ****, tom and harry with no life is using it now...

I found the solution quite by accident.

Now if people already know this, that's fine don't post but here's how you deal with that tard who just outbid or under cut you by 123456.78 isk.... You double click your competitors order in the market screen, you then have the option to click advanced and setup a new a new buy order, or you can copy the price, then close the window, now right click your order and modify, now paste in the price you copied, then scroll mouse up or down depending on if it is buy or sell and now click ok and done.

This done in a system outside jita is very fast and removed fat finger errors, also makes stacking of orders seem much more like an attractive option to finding that price sweet spot that the 0.01iskiong tards dare not go over...

It just makes things a lot less stressing, its actually a faster method of updating orders when you might have to deal with that annoying person who insists on making you type in numbers, try it :)
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-10-10 18:25:38 UTC
Better solution... use EVE Mentat!
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#3 - 2013-10-10 18:30:33 UTC
Wafflehead wrote:
Better solution... use EVE Mentat!


nope, its slower.
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-10-10 18:36:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Wafflehead
API Import > Click order that has price that is red
My Orders
Locate Item
Modify Order
CTRL + V
Done.

Your method..

My Orders (double click on the item order to bring it up in market)
Manually check if your price is best or not (could involve scrolling if its been awhile since you've updated it).
Double click on the 'best' price
Click on Advanced
Click in the price field
CTRL + A & CTRL + C
Cancel
Either locate your order (blue if filter selected)
Right click > Edit Order
CTRL + V
Mouse wheel up or down depending on sell/buy order
Click OK.


I do believe EVE Mentat would be MUCH quicker
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#5 - 2013-10-10 20:16:02 UTC
what are you on about?

Double click, right click, modify, scroll, enter
Jerex Deka
Tempest Shipyards
#6 - 2013-10-10 20:41:01 UTC
Or use the mouse wheel?

I consistently have my buy and sell orders on top, and I'm in jita.
Bruce Sotken
Small Hole Much Liquid
#7 - 2013-10-10 20:41:06 UTC
I would assume a lot play in windowed mode where alt tabbing is not required which is probably where the majority of time wastage occurs
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-10 21:04:48 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
what are you on about?

Double click, right click, modify, scroll, enter


If that was in the reference to my post then you did not read the OP's statement.

Quote:
Now if people already know this, that's fine don't post but here's how you deal with that tard who just outbid or under cut you by 123456.78 isk.... You double click your competitors order in the market screen, you then have the option to click advanced and setup a new a new buy order, or you can copy the price, then close the window, now right click your order and modify, now paste in the price you copied, then scroll mouse up or down depending on if it is buy or sell and now click ok and done.


OP suggests to double click the competitors order and then goto advanced and it will give you their sell/buy price to be able to copy.

This is a useless thread.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#9 - 2013-10-11 01:24:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
I Was There
Habemus
#10 - 2013-10-11 11:51:16 UTC
The real winner of EVE is the one that can quit without coming back.
flakeys
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-10-11 13:36:43 UTC
I Was There wrote:
The real winner of EVE is the one that can quit without coming back.



Hehe , spot on .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#12 - 2013-10-11 15:21:30 UTC  |  Edited by: LittleTerror
Wafflehead wrote:
API Import > Click order that has price that is red
My Orders
Locate Item
Modify Order
CTRL + V
Done.

Your method..

My Orders (double click on the item order to bring it up in market)
Manually check if your price is best or not (could involve scrolling if its been awhile since you've updated it).
Double click on the 'best' price
Click on Advanced
Click in the price field
CTRL + A & CTRL + C
Cancel
Either locate your order (blue if filter selected)
Right click > Edit Order
CTRL + V
Mouse wheel up or down depending on sell/buy order
Click OK.


I do believe EVE Mentat would be MUCH quicker


I feel its about the same speed as using mentat but the difference is I can do my method all day and be happy, I can only do the mentat way for a few hours before I get sick of clicking through its laggy interface to import cache and api which btw isn't exactly fast.

I've used all ways, and I like this way I'm doing now because its all on the same screen and I hate having to type in big numbers. I prefer just using the CTRL + C and CTRL + V shortcuts and the mouse.

Also I don't believe everyone fully knows all the little features about the EVE UI, the simple fact that you can copy your competitors price, then paste it into your new sell order window avoiding errors is useful and don't tell me to use mentat...

/edit

You also make my method seem overly complicated but it isn't.

Method.

Double click competitors order > advanced > CTRL + C > Close window ( this takes about 2 seconds)
Right click own order > CTRL + V > Scroll > click ok (takes 1 second)

Roll

You don't need CTRL + A since the cursor is already in the price field after clicking advanced...

If you have the items you're trading in the quickbar, your orders highlighted, the whole process can be done from just the market screen.
Sh0plifter
Underworld Property Accounting Partnership
#13 - 2013-10-11 15:32:34 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
How to win? Don't play the 0.01 isk game Bear.

Not empty quoting.
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#14 - 2013-10-12 11:00:51 UTC
Jerex Deka wrote:
Or use the mouse wheel?

I consistently have my buy and sell orders on top, and I'm in jita.


The mouse wheel is perfect for when you are 0.01 isking. But with people that reduce orders by full ISK or even more it does not work very good Evil
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#15 - 2013-10-12 15:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: LittleTerror
Logical Chaos wrote:
Jerex Deka wrote:
Or use the mouse wheel?

I consistently have my buy and sell orders on top, and I'm in jita.


The mouse wheel is perfect for when you are 0.01 isking. But with people that reduce orders by full ISK or even more it does not work very good Evil


Yeah that's exactly why I started using mentat but then I grew to hate mentat because the only reason these people are updating by such amounts each time is because they don't have to type the numbers in for every single order. They just set mentat up to update orders by what ever they want, then it copies the value for them directly into the clipboard at a single mouse click...

Any how, the point of this thread was to offer another way but as always people like to attack others on this forum for the sake of it.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/134217832/rr.mp4

A short video demonstrating what I mean, the UI a little laggy due to fraps running and my machine being a piece of crap but with positioning of the buy and sell windows roughly being in the same place, this whole process can greatly improve work flow and sanity

Wafflehead wrote:
API Import > Click order that has price that is red
My Orders
Locate Item
Modify Order
CTRL + V
Done.


You forgot to mention, opening ingame web browser, having it hammer the eve server for price data using a script inside the browser, then importing the cache data into mentat, also you forgot to mention, exporting your orders from EVE and importing them into mentat because of the time limit imposed with the EVE API. You ignored the fact that this process with mentat can be rather slow when updating over 100 orders at a time, it is also annoying and unnecessary, while mentat is good for tracking your transactions its lazy user features are slower than if you just updated your orders manually when taking into consideration all the steps needed...

Wafflehead wrote:

Your method..

My Orders (double click on the item order to bring it up in market)
Manually check if your price is best or not (could involve scrolling if its been awhile since you've updated it).
Double click on the 'best' price
Click on Advanced
Click in the price field
CTRL + A & CTRL + C
Cancel
Either locate your order (blue if filter selected)
Right click > Edit Order
CTRL + V
Mouse wheel up or down depending on sell/buy order
Click OK.


I do believe EVE Mentat would be MUCH quicker


See video above, nothing else needs to be said...
joyous the
Slippery Penguin
#16 - 2013-10-12 23:03:55 UTC
Stop being bad at typing, and get a keyboard with a backspace where the keypad is.


arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#17 - 2013-10-13 06:21:41 UTC
The guy keeps trying to win against some imaginary 0.1 isk mentat monster.
I wonder if there is a similar condition in medicine...oh, here it is - schizophrenia.

You should go get tested...

Troll for hire. Cheap prices.

LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#18 - 2013-10-13 19:31:00 UTC  |  Edited by: LittleTerror
joyous the wrote:
Stop being bad at typing, and get a keyboard with a backspace where the keypad is.




Typing is not faster than using hoykeys/shortcuts Straight and not everyone enjoys getting eye strain when typing out 9 digit numbers with 2 leading zeros after a decimal, but you can carry on as you please I don't care.
joyous the
Slippery Penguin
#19 - 2013-10-13 19:58:21 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:
joyous the wrote:
Stop being bad at typing, and get a keyboard with a backspace where the keypad is.




Typing is not faster than using hoykeys/shortcuts Straight and not everyone enjoys getting eye strain when typing out 9 digit numbers with 2 leading zeros after a decimal, but you can carry on as you please I don't care.


Your method, as described, involves a minimum of 6 steps and key commands which involves moving at least one hand. My method involves what, 3? All without moving either hand from mouse or keypad. But yea, keep keep doin what you're doin, slower competition for me.
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#20 - 2013-10-13 21:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: LittleTerror
joyous the wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:
joyous the wrote:
Stop being bad at typing, and get a keyboard with a backspace where the keypad is.




Typing is not faster than using hoykeys/shortcuts Straight and not everyone enjoys getting eye strain when typing out 9 digit numbers with 2 leading zeros after a decimal, but you can carry on as you please I don't care.


Your method, as described, involves a minimum of 6 steps and key commands which involves moving at least one hand. My method involves what, 3? All without moving either hand from mouse or keypad. But yea, keep keep doin what you're doin, slower competition for me.


whatevers man

95% of my orders need a simple scroll of the mouse wheel Roll
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