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Captain Skarlet
u.k militia forces
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2013-10-11 12:30:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Skarlet
I know CCP were going to revamp the POS's to the new modular design, which is going to be great 'when it happens'???

They also mentioned about lowering the running cost of POS's so that single players such as yourself and small corps like ours could happily run a POS without breaking the bank. This is something they could implement NOW, as I have two POS"s, which I can't afford to put online..

I have just worked out that is would now cost me 449,376,000 isk every month to run my POS, which is ridicules..!!

If you don't believe me, do ya Maths........ Currently on the Eve Market 1 Block = 15,100.00 isk, POS consumption 40 Blocks per hour, 744 hours in a month..

Even when I was running the POS full-time, making Rigs, BPC's, Ships, Various modules etc..

Mining my own ice for the Hydrogen Isotopes and producing a lot of the materials to make my own blocks, still didn't cover the running costs of this POS..!!

I really enjoy the POS's activities, though it does requires a lot of game time as well, so as a lot of our Corp members are in full time work and have kids, it's hard to fit it all in...

I feel CCP need to sort out the running cost of these POS's so it's more accessible to small player Corps...
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-10-11 12:46:25 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Solution:

1. Dont get a POS if you a cant afford it.
2. Scale the POS down in size.



POS are corporate structures. The idea behind a corp is that a group works together and does stuff together.
Say rounded up its 500mil a month. Your corp has 10 proper members who work very closely, thats 50mil each.

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Captain Skarlet
u.k militia forces
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2013-10-11 12:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Skarlet
J'Poll wrote:
Solution:

1. Dont get a POS if you a cant afford it.
2. Scale the POS down in size.



POS are corporate structures. The idea behind a corp is that a group works together and does stuff together.
Say rounded up its 500mil a month. Your corp has 10 proper members who work very closely, thats 50mil each.



Yeah and this is the narrow sightedness that pisses me off...

So what are you saying then, that Corps who have 9 members or less shouldn't be allowed to own a POS...Ballshit..!!


As I have already mentioned CCP were meant to be sorting this out, so smaller corps can run a POS as well
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#24 - 2013-10-11 12:56:44 UTC
Captain Skarlet wrote:

They also mentioned about lowering the running cost of POS's so that single players such as yourself and small corps like ours could happily run a POS without breaking the bank. This is something they could implement NOW, as I have two POS"s, which I can't afford to put online..

I have just worked out that is would now cost me 449,376,000 isk every month to run my POS, which is ridicules..!!


Well single players and small corps could use a small tower.

Which would cut the cost to about 120M.

And if you can't make at least 120M/month profit on your POS then you shouldn't run one.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-10-11 13:04:16 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Captain Skarlet wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Solution:

1. Dont get a POS if you a cant afford it.
2. Scale the POS down in size.



POS are corporate structures. The idea behind a corp is that a group works together and does stuff together.
Say rounded up its 500mil a month. Your corp has 10 proper members who work very closely, thats 50mil each.



Yeah and this is the narrow sightedness that pisses me off...

So what are you saying then, that Corps who have 9 members or less shouldn't be allowed to own a POS...Ballshit..!!


As I have already mentioned CCP were meant to be sorting this out, so smaller corps can run a POS as well


And why would 9 people need 2 large towers.


The whole point is that you have to scale to your demand.
And clearly you have set up bigger then you can afford.

So, buy 1 or 2 small towers and make profit.

Edit: I personally alone run 1 medium tower with profit and can run a 2nd small one if needed and still get some left over money.

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Captain Skarlet
u.k militia forces
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2013-10-11 13:04:55 UTC
Well single players and small corps could use a small tower.

Which would cut the cost to about 120M.

And if you can't make at least 120M/month profit on your POS then you shouldn't run one.
[/quote]

Small tower = Powers less arrays = less production/products = less revenue..

Large tower = Powers more arrays = more production/products = more revenue.

Basically it all works out the same in the end...
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-10-11 13:10:27 UTC
Captain Skarlet wrote:
Well single players and small corps could use a small tower.

Which would cut the cost to about 120M.

And if you can't make at least 120M/month profit on your POS then you shouldn't run one.


Small tower = Powers less arrays = less production/products = less revenue..

Large tower = Powers more arrays = more production/products = more revenue.

Basically it all works out the same in the end...[/quote]

So you are saying that your corp is using the full PG/CPU of the POS towers and also have 100% coverage on the arrays?


And still dont make enough money from it to fuel them...

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#28 - 2013-10-11 13:12:27 UTC
Captain Skarlet wrote:
Well single players and small corps could use a small tower.

Small tower = Powers less arrays = less production/products = less revenue..

Large tower = Powers more arrays = more production/products = more revenue.

Basically it all works out the same in the end...


Yes it does.

So the problem isn't the actual cost, it's about how to have a POS generate more isk than it costs to run.

Which isn't a problem for either a small corp nor for a single player.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Captain Skarlet
u.k militia forces
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2013-10-11 13:15:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Skarlet
[quote=And why would 9 people need 2 large towers.


The whole point is that you have to scale to your demand.
And clearly you have set up bigger then you can afford.

So, buy 1 or 2 small towers and make profit.

Edit: I personally alone run 1 medium tower with profit and can run a 2nd small one if needed and still get some left over money.[/quote]


That's easier said than done, due to standing when it comes to anchoring. My standings are good with Gallente, though the Corps isn't..

Also the plan was, to produce all the BPC's, modules etc at one tower and use the other tower to make various ships, though circumstances have changed for a lot of us, making it hard for us to complete these original plans...

We are hoping things will change soon..
Velicitia
XS Tech
#30 - 2013-10-11 13:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Captain Skarlet wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Solution:

1. Dont get a POS if you a cant afford it.
2. Scale the POS down in size.



POS are corporate structures. The idea behind a corp is that a group works together and does stuff together.
Say rounded up its 500mil a month. Your corp has 10 proper members who work very closely, thats 50mil each.



Yeah and this is the narrow sightedness that pisses me off...

So what are you saying then, that Corps who have 9 members or less shouldn't be allowed to own a POS...Ballshit..!!


As I have already mentioned CCP were meant to be sorting this out, so smaller corps can run a POS as well


except that J'Poll isn't being narrow minded (just using a 10-man corp as an example) ... if you cannot afford 500m ISK/month for a LARGE POS, then you do the following:

A. Medium POS (~250m/month) OR
B. Small POS(~125m/month) OR
C. Don't use one.

Yes, CCP are working on the "smallholdings" thing and fixing POS ... and the four new deployables appear to be the first step in this direction. It'll take time for this to move forward though, since they need to make sure it's all balanced.


Same comparison you make with any other large purchase...

A. get the 50K car with all the options
B. get the 40k car with some options
C. get the 30k base model
D. (choose a cheaper model, or use public transport, or bicycle, or ... )



Edit -- see yo usaid you had 2x Lg pos...

so shut one down (leave it anchored) and move all the stuff to the single large pos. when you outgrow it, move to the second one ...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-10-11 13:27:30 UTC
Captain Skarlet wrote:
[quote=And why would 9 people need 2 large towers.


The whole point is that you have to scale to your demand.
And clearly you have set up bigger then you can afford.

So, buy 1 or 2 small towers and make profit.

Edit: I personally alone run 1 medium tower with profit and can run a 2nd small one if needed and still get some left over money.



That's easier said than done, due to standing when it comes to anchoring. My standings are good with Gallente, though the Corps isn't..

Also the plan was, to produce all the BPC's, modules etc at one tower and use the other tower to make various ships, though circumstances have changed for a lot of us, making it hard for us to complete these original plans...

We are hoping things will change soon..[/quote]

You do know that it is easier and genrally cheaper to produce in a station.

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Captain Skarlet
u.k militia forces
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2013-10-11 13:33:55 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
[quote=Captain Skarlet][quote=J'Poll]Solution:

so shut one down (leave it anchored) and move all the stuff to the single large pos. when you outgrow it, move to the second one ...



Yep they both are, we just start up one when we have a bulk load of stuff to produce..
Baggo Hammers
#33 - 2013-10-11 17:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Baggo Hammers
I am not sure CCP has the cure.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-10-12 02:16:03 UTC
Funny, me and my alt could keep a medium tower filled to the brim and beyond and easily make tons of money.

if you cant recoup the running cost of a pos you are doing something seriously wrong, it is so easy it isn't even funny.

if you cant afford to keep 2 large posses running, then obiously you need to sit down and look at what you really need. Like everything in live, make a budget and look at where you can cut corners and what you can improve upon. just saying.. it is too expensive is silly.

I can't afford a high performance car in real life, I dont whine to Koenigsegg to make one cheaper.. i drive a volvo instead.
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#35 - 2013-10-12 08:46:02 UTC
I give you my perspective on one player and POS....

Is doable, very much in so...

When i was doing T2 manufacturing i used to run small caldari tower. That was enough for me, 2x advanced mobile lav, 1x mobile lab. Ok, i was not super serious about it, but i did in fact turn profit even after pos fuel... Could keep my main research/inventor and one copy alt nice and busy for my taste.

So i know in fact its bossible. But if bossible do the research in advance whats worth manufacturing/reseaching... Not all BPO´s are created equal...

And most of all, keep track of your isk, where its going, where its comeing from... Try maximize things that create most isk for you.

Basicly what i was doing to get started was to create researcher character with no standings what so ever. Then buy him ready made corp with standings (available in sales forum)... So basicly corp has standings to anchor tower in highsec as long as none in corp has standings that would effect corporations standings...

If i did get wardecked, i just simply took tower and labs down, anchor them back after war ended.

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...
Captain Skarlet
u.k militia forces
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2013-11-27 12:08:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Skarlet
J'Poll wrote:
You do know that it is easier and genrally cheaper to produce in a station.


That maybe true, though that's once you get an available production line to use, which could be up to a month or more..!!

Mmm you maybe lucky and one is about to finish, which you can utilize, though this generally isn't the case..!!


Hence the need for our own POS..
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-11-27 16:03:03 UTC
Captain Skarlet wrote:
That maybe true, though that's once you get an available production line to use, which could be up to a month or more..!!
You really should do more research before even thinking about getting a POS.

There are plenty of free production lines in high-sec and I rarely see waiting times that are longer than a day.
Unless you are trying to produce in a major trade hub - the closer you are to those, the longer the queue.
But all moons close to major trade hubs are already taken, so you cannot put up a POS there either. I'd be really surprised if a system that is isolated enough to have a free moon doesn't also have free production lines.
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