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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#21 - 2013-10-10 18:09:32 UTC
I too want eve on my Arduino, moar blinky lights me sais!.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-10-10 18:20:39 UTC
Karak Terrel wrote:
Sointu Luonnotar wrote:

At least I can fix most of my problems on Windows by myself (which I rarely have), when I use Linux I have to consult 7 different people on changing display settings through the console and still fail to change the screen resolution no matter what superuser rights I command. Also when there are issues with Windows I'll probably find at least a few people who have had the same problem and know how to fix it.

Cool story bra. If you even fail at finding the menu for the display settings and think you have to do something on the cli then I doubt very much that Linux or the desktop environment you used was the problem. I hope you stay on Windows, I would hate it if the "fix my printer" crowd switches over.



Superiority complex from Linux users is probably the worst part of that OS and will never get fixed.
Good to know you're an uber master 10th degree on computer sciences programming nuclear engineering and yada yada.

Ex linux user here, WIndows is for sure not the best but my 64b Win8 version entirely satisfies all my needs, and for once one that works.
I don't need to be a computer nerd to get my stuff sorted, it's easy, simple, it's click&go, that's exactly what you guys don't like because you need to feel special and make it know, have claps and thx from fans etc... sadly for Linux and its future.

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Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#23 - 2013-10-10 18:31:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Karak Terrel
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Good to know you're an uber master 10th degree on computer sciences programming nuclear engineering and yada yada.

Indeed I am. I also read your emails.
Pius Rova
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-10-10 18:34:31 UTC
The only two reasons M$ is still on my computer is because of Netflix and EVE, not too long ago a Netflix solution became available, now how about EVE?
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
#25 - 2013-10-10 19:13:38 UTC  |  Edited by: YesYes NoNoNo
Sointu Luonnotar wrote:
Bill Saisima wrote:
I dream of native linux client.
The steam on linux initiative is a bold step btw, I'm curious if steam is strong enough to actually change things, it would be interesting. Windows is boring.:)


At least I can fix most of my problems on Windows by myself (which I rarely have), when I use Linux I have to consult 7 different people on changing display settings through the console and still fail to change the screen resolution no matter what superuser rights I command. Also when there are issues with Windows I'll probably find at least a few people who have had the same problem and know how to fix it.
God help you if you can't connect to the web and need help with that, altough with the advent of smartphones this problem is a little lesser.

Regards, ex-linux user.


I agree that this complicated box http://i.imgur.com/gMI9Ta1.png that is accessible within two clicks from the desktop is horrible :( So well hidden that the first 6 people couldn't find it...
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
#26 - 2013-10-10 19:17:01 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
I have a feeling some are gonna have too much fun with those radial menus being implemented onto that controller...


Depends on what you use as a controller.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-10-10 19:31:32 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
Always funny that people don't remember that SteamOS can use K/M as well, not just the new fancy-smancy controller.


What about the people who forget about how that steam box is supposed to be able to run your games on your windows computer and just have a stream to your TV with controller link? Why would dev make a steam box client when the win client can be streamed? Well as long as the feature work I guess...
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
#28 - 2013-10-10 19:37:11 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lykouleon wrote:
Always funny that people don't remember that SteamOS can use K/M as well, not just the new fancy-smancy controller.


What about the people who forget about how that steam box is supposed to be able to run your games on your windows computer and just have a stream to your TV with controller link? Why would dev make a steam box client when the win client can be streamed? Well as long as the feature work I guess...


Let's try again...

I have a USB controller on my PC. I use it for various games sometimes.

This doesn't mean I HAVE to use it for every last game - as a matter of fact I'm using a keyboard to type this right now! The controller is just sitting on my desk looking sad that I'm about to use the mouse to press post...
Sointu Luonnotar
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-10-10 20:36:10 UTC
YesYes NoNoNo wrote:

I agree that this complicated box http://i.imgur.com/gMI9Ta1.png that is accessible within two clicks from the desktop is horrible :( So well hidden that the first 6 people couldn't find it...


Yeah, except that didn't work. You'd know if you weren't such a buttmunch.
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#30 - 2013-10-10 21:55:34 UTC
SteamOS will be openGL where as Eve is directX based, Eve on Mac and Linux just use the Wine DLL to emulate directX. CCP would need to recode the engine in openGL to truly benefit from Linux and with the dx11 announcement this seems very unlikely.

In other news got Eve running on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS no probs just get some slowdown with certain SFX.
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#31 - 2013-10-10 22:06:50 UTC
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:
SteamOS will be openGL where as Eve is directX based, Eve on Mac and Linux just use the Wine DLL to emulate directX. CCP would need to recode the engine in openGL to truly benefit from Linux and with the dx11 announcement this seems very unlikely.

In other news got Eve running on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS no probs just get some slowdown with certain SFX.

I don't see any problem with using wine as a DX translator. I don't think a rewrite of the engine would be justified for the small performance improvement that could potentially be gained even if there was a significant amount of EVE players on Linux (which there isn't). Even Valve uses a translation layer to port their DX only games (there is some video on youtube where they talk a bit more in detail about this).
Charlie Jacobson
#32 - 2013-10-10 22:36:03 UTC
Sointu Luonnotar wrote:
YesYes NoNoNo wrote:

I agree that this complicated box http://i.imgur.com/gMI9Ta1.png that is accessible within two clicks from the desktop is horrible :( So well hidden that the first 6 people couldn't find it...


Yeah, except that didn't work. You'd know if you weren't such a buttmunch.


Indeed, display settings can sometimes be confusing and counter-intuitive in Linux on some systems. Manually configuring Xorg is messy, and everything doesn't always work out of the box. Driver support is slowly improving, though.

I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#33 - 2013-10-10 23:28:59 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lykouleon wrote:
Always funny that people don't remember that SteamOS can use K/M as well, not just the new fancy-smancy controller.


What about the people who forget about how that steam box is supposed to be able to run your games on your windows computer and just have a stream to your TV with controller link? Why would dev make a steam box client when the win client can be streamed? Well as long as the feature work I guess...

Latency? Latency.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-10-11 02:03:01 UTC
Karak Terrel wrote:
It already runs on Linux


Technically, you're correct. The reality is it runs on Wine which runs on Linux for a substantial drop is performance and a significant upswing in headaches.

Don't get me wrong, I love Linux. But I, and many others, know better.

Don't ban me, bro!
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#35 - 2013-10-11 05:00:15 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
It already runs on Linux


Technically, you're correct. The reality is it runs on Wine which runs on Linux for a substantial drop is performance and a significant upswing in headaches.

Don't get me wrong, I love Linux. But I, and many others, know better.

It runs perfectly with my 7 year old computer (graphicscard was updated 4 years ago) so the performance drop can't be too bad. And with PlayOnLinux the installation is as easy as klicking a button
Sointu Luonnotar
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-10-11 15:37:30 UTC
Karak Terrel wrote:

It runs perfectly with my 7 year old computer (graphicscard was updated 4 years ago) so the performance drop can't be too bad. And with PlayOnLinux the installation is as easy as klicking a button


Why are you still using a 7 year old computer? That's like 150 in computer years. And don't say because you're poor, because I'm poor, and even I can update my computer every few years. I'd consider 5 years the absolute maximum for a viable computer lifetime if it has decent parts at the time of purchase. Less, if has worse than average components to start with.
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#37 - 2013-10-12 05:15:07 UTC
Sointu Luonnotar wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:

It runs perfectly with my 7 year old computer (graphicscard was updated 4 years ago) so the performance drop can't be too bad. And with PlayOnLinux the installation is as easy as klicking a button


Why are you still using a 7 year old computer? That's like 150 in computer years. And don't say because you're poor, because I'm poor, and even I can update my computer every few years. I'd consider 5 years the absolute maximum for a viable computer lifetime if it has decent parts at the time of purchase. Less, if has worse than average components to start with.


Look, i'm ******* drunk, I just came home from an epic beer annihilation fest. However, I try to introduce you to a little secrete. I use a minimal window manager (awesome... no, it has nothing to do with "CCP awesome*, it's the name of the window manager and it is appropriate). It just ******* works, I can organize my workflow in a way you can ******* dream of. It is perfect. Every time I work one a machine without it I feel like i'am in a ******* straight jacket or something. It uses no resources and if I launch EVE over wine it gets every ******* CPU cycle it needs.

I will upgrade my hardware if I need more power to play EVE or any other game I like to play. This is not the case at the moment, everything runs perfectly fine, like it did 7 years ago. If your operating system forces you to think otherwise, maybe the problem isn't the hardware.
Bill Saisima
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-10-12 08:55:02 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
WIndows is for sure not the best but my 64b Win8 version entirely satisfies all my needs, and for once one that works.
I don't need to be a computer nerd to get my stuff sorted, it's easy, simple, it's click&go, that's exactly what you guys don't like because you need to feel special and make it know, have claps and thx from fans etc... sadly for Linux and its future.

True, I just hate to have NSA spyware on my PC. That should be the 'privilege' of US citizens only.
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2013-10-12 11:30:09 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Geezus, they finally decided to make a move into DX11 because everybody apparently run Eve on calculators and you want them to support some barely released OS just because it had geek news headlines for like 5 seconds?

On the other hand they made mediocre shooter for PS3 so expect full Steam OS support next month.


DirectX is locked to **** that is windows. if they switch to OpenGL they can have native support for more or less any OS out there. It's not even as if directx provides better performance (nor does windows).
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-10-13 11:01:55 UTC
Karak Terrel wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Good to know you're an uber master 10th degree on computer sciences programming nuclear engineering and yada yada.

Indeed I am. I also read your emails.



The 111.111 isk bounty thing? :D

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