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AFK cloaking suggestion to beat all! which is fair to both the non cloakies and cloakies
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xxxdeathbringerxxx Nalliery
Magister Mortalis.
#1 - 2013-10-10 09:00:46 UTC
Hi everyone.

My idea is to have a decloaking sovereign module. that will decloak all ships system wide for 5 seconds at the sovereign holder's will. BUT this can only be used after an 18 hour cool down. So those afkers who go to work and just sit in the system will not camp unless they really want to make a kill.

Fine, if he's not afk cloaking then he will just wave off the decloaking and recloak after 5 seconds. See, everyone is happy.

I just had a guy afk camp for 20 hours and then cynod in a black ops team and destroy a 500 mil dominix. And after it hot dropped it went out, came back in and is sitting in the system now, almost 3 days straight. This is stupid. He gets rewarded for afk play, but we players who are non afk and playing the game have to sit in the station. It sends a bad message. but if we had this decloaker. he can't be afk or he will be dead. Gonna hot drop then hot drop, so we can get on with our lives.
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#2 - 2013-10-10 09:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Electrique Wizard
AFK cloaky players are the scourge of every nullsec renting carrier ratting bot. If this module were to get implemented the owner of the system would just incorporate it into his botting software and be done with it.

In my oppinion cloaky players in a system are doing everyone a favor by being the only thing that combats bots effectively.

Also, if he was truly AFK, how did he hotdrop you?

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-10-10 09:16:52 UTC
Use this thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699&p=115

TY.

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Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Yummy Chocolate
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-10-10 09:32:02 UTC
this topic was once funny.
























now it's just sad.

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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#5 - 2013-10-10 09:34:16 UTC
Electrique Wizard wrote:
AFK cloaky players are the scourge of every nullsec renting carrier ratting bot. If this module were to get implemented the owner of the system would just incorporate it into his botting software and be done with it.

In my oppinion cloaky players in a system are doing everyone a favor by being the only thing that combats bots effectively.

Also, if he was truly AFK, how did he hotdrop you?


Not empty quoting.

Please check The List I believe you will find your idea neither new or unique and I'm fairly sure your definition of "fair" is probably very biased in your favour.

I would just like to add that if a singe cloaky pilot has kept your system locked down for three days and you haven't attempted to bait him out and prepared a reception for his Blops gang you should probably consider moving back to HiSec.

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xxxdeathbringerxxx Nalliery
Magister Mortalis.
#6 - 2013-10-10 09:36:50 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Use this thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699&p=115

TY.



I did read it all, all the solutions address cloaking more so than afk cloaking. My solution hasn't been mentioned i believe.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-10-10 09:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
xxxdeathbringerxxx Nalliery wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Use this thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699&p=115

TY.



I did read it all, all the solutions address cloaking more so than afk cloaking. My solution hasn't been mentioned i believe.

Your idea is neither unique nor new. At some Point Teckos just stopped putting links to all those new threads in his thread because a new one is spawned every day. It's a Sisyphos work, really.

In the end your idea is the same as the systemwide decloaking pulse pos module or some other quite similar stuff.

EDIT: Not gonna post anymore in this thread, I already reported it for being a duplicate.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
xxxdeathbringerxxx Nalliery
Magister Mortalis.
#8 - 2013-10-10 09:56:09 UTC
Samillian wrote:
Electrique Wizard wrote:
AFK cloaky players are the scourge of every nullsec renting carrier ratting bot. If this module were to get implemented the owner of the system would just incorporate it into his botting software and be done with it.

In my oppinion cloaky players in a system are doing everyone a favor by being the only thing that combats bots effectively.

Also, if he was truly AFK, how did he hotdrop you?


Not empty quoting.

Please check The List I believe you will find your idea neither new or unique and I'm fairly sure your definition of "fair" is probably very biased in your favour.

I would just like to add that if a singe cloaky pilot has kept your system locked down for three days and you haven't attempted to bait him out and prepared a reception for his Blops gang you should probably consider moving back to HiSec.


for the purpose of this thread. afk cloaking defined in this example. i'm a cloaked tengu with cyno. i sit in a ratting upgraded system. i leave for work. stay cloaked. come back. do a d scan. nothing i like.. oh wife is calling. brb. come back an hour later. my black op buddies not on. okay watch tv. come back finally got target and hot drop.

It's unique in that its not there in the list of afk cloaking solutions , ive read it. Fair, well got to have some marketing. it's people's idea to decide if its fair or not. anyways i haven't seen an argument how its not fair. so how is it not fair...mr probably should move back to hi sec.

The question is, can ccp reward afk play. like i said if he's not afk. he cannot die as he will simply recloak.

The question is what can CCP do to ensure that the person is not semi afk cloaking. its obvious the ratters are not afk. So if there is no guarantee, the possibility of rewarding afk cloakers at the expense of non afk gamers are very real. If they are there for one whole day at their pc. good for them. it doesn't penalize that.
xxxdeathbringerxxx Nalliery
Magister Mortalis.
#9 - 2013-10-10 10:04:02 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxdeathbringerxxx Nalliery
Debora Tsung wrote:
xxxdeathbringerxxx Nalliery wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Use this thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699&p=115

TY.



I did read it all, all the solutions address cloaking more so than afk cloaking. My solution hasn't been mentioned i believe.

Your idea is neither unique nor new. At some Point Teckos just stopped putting links to all those new threads in his thread because a new one is spawned every day. It's a Sisyphos work, really.

In the end your idea is the same as the systemwide decloaking pulse pos module or some other quite similar stuff.

EDIT: Not gonna post anymore in this thread, I already reported it for being a duplicate.


It's not entirely new. but the closest i read is the pulse every 10 minutes. Its overkill. one every 18 hours isn't really. Why reinvent the wheel.

EDIT: please link the duplicate post thank you. no proof. go cry to your mom.
suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-10-10 10:36:41 UTC
xxxdeathbringerxxx Nalliery wrote:
go cry to your mom.


If you'd done that instead of doing it here we'd all be happier

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#11 - 2013-10-10 10:53:43 UTC
confirming, read this one before.

all the typical arguments apply

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#12 - 2013-10-10 11:30:59 UTC
Nothing new here.

Just another ZeroBear who want to be completely safe in Zero Security space, trying to nerf cloakes by spouting 'AFK is Bad, mKay'.

Nothing to see, move along, move along....

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Be4st
The Abusement Park
#13 - 2013-10-10 12:40:37 UTC
I thought about this idea 2 years ago. Granted the time limit is different, but its the same idea that me and nearly EVERY player in the game have thought of at some point. Its never going to happen dude. If AFK cloaking bothers you so much, bait the guy out, kill him and his crew and collect their tears instead of putting yours on the forum. If you don't have the appropriate team to do such an operation, then GTFO of nullsec or take it on the chin. There are plenty of other options out there. When my alts system gets camped by AFK cloakers, I just send it, or another alt out and do Relic/Data sites in a different area. I'm still making alot of ISK and denying them activity and kills. They soon leave once they realise this.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-10-10 13:56:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
xxxdeathbringerxxx Nalliery wrote:
Hi everyone.

My idea is to have a decloaking sovereign module. that will decloak all ships system wide for 5 seconds at the sovereign holder's will. BUT this can only be used after an 18 hour cool down. So those afkers who go to work and just sit in the system will not camp unless they really want to make a kill.

Fine, if he's not afk cloaking then he will just wave off the decloaking and recloak after 5 seconds. See, everyone is happy.

I just had a guy afk camp for 20 hours and then cynod in a black ops team and destroy a 500 mil dominix. And after it hot dropped it went out, came back in and is sitting in the system now, almost 3 days straight. This is stupid. He gets rewarded for afk play, but we players who are non afk and playing the game have to sit in the station. It sends a bad message. but if we had this decloaker. he can't be afk or he will be dead. Gonna hot drop then hot drop, so we can get on with our lives.


Much too strong so long as local is present. And removing local with just this change is daft. So this idea is bad.

Added to my collection of horrible ideas regarding cloaks and AFK cloaking in particular.

Edit: A variant of this idea is for a POS module that decloaks cloaked ships system wide.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#15 - 2013-10-10 14:04:25 UTC
IMO, change nothing, but have the game client log you off after two hours of inactivity. AFK-all-day cloaking would be a side effect. Would only address the most extreme long-term cloakers, and cheaters could circumvent it. But most people won't circumvent it.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-10-10 14:06:18 UTC
Batelle wrote:
IMO, change nothing, but have the game client log you off after two hours of inactivity. AFK-all-day cloaking would be a side effect. Would only address the most extreme long-term cloakers, and cheaters could circumvent it. But most people won't circumvent it.


You should not have a game mechanic that makes you safer. You are playing the wrong game if you really think this way.

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Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-10-10 14:13:23 UTC
I-Win Button for nullsec gate camps?

No.
Be4st
The Abusement Park
#18 - 2013-10-10 14:15:52 UTC
Batelle wrote:
IMO, change nothing, but have the game client log you off after two hours of inactivity. AFK-all-day cloaking would be a side effect. Would only address the most extreme long-term cloakers, and cheaters could circumvent it. But most people won't circumvent it.

I have thought of that idea before but not for AFK cloaking. It was a counter to Jita always being full. 90% of people there are AFK and when it gets full, it should log off all people that have not clicked a thing in the past 30 mins
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2013-10-10 14:19:06 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
I-Win Button for nullsec gate camps?

No.


Yep, was just thinking this too. Making it at will and with local, you'd be idiotic not to set this up in pipe systems to you can camp them down and spam that module so that nobody could cloak.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#20 - 2013-10-10 16:24:08 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Batelle wrote:
IMO, change nothing, but have the game client log you off after two hours of inactivity. AFK-all-day cloaking would be a side effect. Would only address the most extreme long-term cloakers, and cheaters could circumvent it. But most people won't circumvent it.


You should not have a game mechanic that makes you safer. You are playing the wrong game if you really think this way.

What the hell are you even talking about? I shouldn't play eve because I don't think cloaking needs a major nerf ? What?

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