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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#161 - 2011-11-15 23:16:59 UTC
Gonzo TheGreat wrote:


FYI this whole thread and the whining about jams persisting after ship's death is about "Kill It With Fire" suicide ganking you highsec carebears :) So don't try to turn it around. Go Go cry to CCP about the Jams :D

Good luck with writing random junk, like unsub and etc when none of this was talked by me, go ahead and re-read what I wrote about the comparison. You cannot simply say oh a 10 man fleet can make the same in a WH so it's ok (lawlz).


Nope, I made my comment on the jams, now I gotta lolz that your butthurt that you arent making enough iskies. You broke. Go cry to CCP that you aint got no isk and that everyone is better than you at making it so you must hurt them and stop the bad bad ebil bears!!RollBear They willz ruinz your gamez!!!!Shocked

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Zemkhoff
Infinite Density
#162 - 2011-11-15 23:41:28 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Gonzo TheGreat wrote:


FYI this whole thread and the whining about jams persisting after ship's death is about "Kill It With Fire" suicide ganking you highsec carebears :) So don't try to turn it around. Go Go cry to CCP about the Jams :D

Good luck with writing random junk, like unsub and etc when none of this was talked by me, go ahead and re-read what I wrote about the comparison. You cannot simply say oh a 10 man fleet can make the same in a WH so it's ok (lawlz).


Nope, I made my comment on the jams, now I gotta lolz that your butthurt that you arent making enough iskies. You broke. Go cry to CCP that you aint got no isk and that everyone is better than you at making it so you must hurt them and stop the bad bad ebil bears!!RollBear They willz ruinz your gamez!!!!Shocked


TwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwisted
Maximille Biagge
Hydra Eternal
#163 - 2011-11-15 23:45:21 UTC
Adrenalinemax wrote:
Currently on SiSi if you get your ship blown up by Concord, there is no insurance payout. If that makes it to TQ that would be a pretty big game changer for this.

Sending in 3-4 waves of BB to kill a single faction BS would still be worth it for the ISK ratio, but only if some shiny stuff dropped, if they start fitting T2 to those shiny BS, you have to rely strictly on tears which won't keep you in new BB's.


Haha seriously, we did this "for teh lolz" as one would say.

The fact that highsec incursion runners decide to stupendously pimp their faction BS is just an extra bonus that generates more laughs when we pull hundreds of millions of isk from their wrecks.

Nobody cared about the isk ratio of these suicide blackbirds.



Gonzo TheGreat
Donuttown
#164 - 2011-11-15 23:54:49 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Gonzo TheGreat wrote:


FYI this whole thread and the whining about jams persisting after ship's death is about "Kill It With Fire" suicide ganking you highsec carebears :) So don't try to turn it around. Go Go cry to CCP about the Jams :D

Good luck with writing random junk, like unsub and etc when none of this was talked by me, go ahead and re-read what I wrote about the comparison. You cannot simply say oh a 10 man fleet can make the same in a WH so it's ok (lawlz).


Nope, I made my comment on the jams, now I gotta lolz that your butthurt that you arent making enough iskies. You broke. Go cry to CCP that you aint got no isk and that everyone is better than you at making it so you must hurt them and stop the bad bad ebil bears!!RollBear They willz ruinz your gamez!!!!Shocked


2/10 for trying to turn the butthurt around :D

Still if your mind works like this

(correcting you on the point that a 10 man WH fleet SHOULD make as much as a 10 man HS incursion fleet so it's ok == being butthurt and broke and etc )

then go see a doctor :) or become a prophet, cause most of them had these kinds of hallucinations.

we've already have enough lulz suicide ganking you and this thread has paid itself in tears over and over.

PS : now reply with something more irrelevant.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#165 - 2011-11-16 00:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternus8lux8lucis
Gonzo TheGreat wrote:


2/10 for trying to turn the butthurt around :D

Still if your mind works like this

(correcting you on the point that a 10 man WH fleet SHOULD make as much as a 10 man HS incursion fleet so it's ok == being butthurt and broke and etc )

then go see a doctor :) or become a prophet, cause most of them had these kinds of hallucinations.

we've already have enough lulz suicide ganking you and this thread has paid itself in tears over and over.

PS : now reply with something more irrelevant.

I already gave you the link to someone proudly proclaiming to make 600mil an hour in a WH. I know how much the plexs and officer spawns make people cuz Ive done them.

You sir are a troll.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/fathomn/forum%20pics/1259372767934.jpg

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
LacLongQuan
Doomheim
#166 - 2011-11-16 00:43:58 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61hR4_JlbBo <-- For relevance

If you cant keep up your doing it wrong. You butthurt you cant earn mega isk in eve? Afraid your wallet is going the way of the dodo bird? Inflation eating you in game as much as it is in RL? Dont be butthurt. Figure out a way to make more isk.


When Eve started making a mil isk per hour wouldve been staggering to the majority of Eve. Ive seen the wallets and per hour income grow since I got in game. This is nothing new. This is the way life and games go. Get used to it or unsub....btw can I haz your stuffz?Twisted


sir, it's 600m/h for 4 ships, do the math.
and the risk is being ambushed and lose them all.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#167 - 2011-11-16 02:14:54 UTC
LacLongQuan wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61hR4_JlbBo <-- For relevance

If you cant keep up your doing it wrong. You butthurt you cant earn mega isk in eve? Afraid your wallet is going the way of the dodo bird? Inflation eating you in game as much as it is in RL? Dont be butthurt. Figure out a way to make more isk.


When Eve started making a mil isk per hour wouldve been staggering to the majority of Eve. Ive seen the wallets and per hour income grow since I got in game. This is nothing new. This is the way life and games go. Get used to it or unsub....btw can I haz your stuffz?Twisted


sir, it's 600m/h for 4 ships, do the math.
and the risk is being ambushed and lose them all.



Yeah and this is 100mil/hr for one ship. Do the math!! Its equivalent. And WHs if done right are almost negligible, especially the harder ones to run into anything. Nevermind they have to scan you down while your in the sites which gives you more than enough time. Oh and guess what.... Sanshas can kill you too if you suck. And theyre NPCS!!Roll

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#168 - 2011-11-16 02:19:33 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
LacLongQuan wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61hR4_JlbBo <-- For relevance

If you cant keep up your doing it wrong. You butthurt you cant earn mega isk in eve? Afraid your wallet is going the way of the dodo bird? Inflation eating you in game as much as it is in RL? Dont be butthurt. Figure out a way to make more isk.


When Eve started making a mil isk per hour wouldve been staggering to the majority of Eve. Ive seen the wallets and per hour income grow since I got in game. This is nothing new. This is the way life and games go. Get used to it or unsub....btw can I haz your stuffz?Twisted


sir, it's 600m/h for 4 ships, do the math.
and the risk is being ambushed and lose them all.



Yeah and this is 100mil/hr for one ship. Do the math!! Its equivalent. And WHs if done right are almost negligible, especially the harder ones to run into anything. Nevermind they have to scan you down while your in the sites which gives you more than enough time. Oh and guess what.... Sanshas can kill you too if you suck. And theyre NPCS!!Roll



You do not need probes to find anomalies and you can completely track down people while cloaked without local. If you think you don't run into things in whs I ask you to go into one, since at least March we've been running into many cloaked fleets prowling around. No dscan will help ya. It is a ******* blast
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#169 - 2011-11-16 02:31:05 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:



You do not need probes to find anomalies and you can completely track down people while cloaked without local. If you think you don't run into things in whs I ask you to go into one, since at least March we've been running into many cloaked fleets prowling around. No dscan will help ya. It is a ******* blast


Been dare dun dat got the badge and cookies.Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
LacLongQuan
Doomheim
#170 - 2011-11-16 06:03:03 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:



You do not need probes to find anomalies and you can completely track down people while cloaked without local. If you think you don't run into things in whs I ask you to go into one, since at least March we've been running into many cloaked fleets prowling around. No dscan will help ya. It is a ******* blast


Been dare dun dat got the badge and cookies.Twisted

the same with your super duper incursion, sir.
if you die to sansha, you better get back to WoW
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#171 - 2011-11-16 09:43:08 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Should you be able to earn more isk in highsec than in nullsec? Yes.
Because it depends on what you're doing.
What 1 lone pilot is doing in nullsec shouldn't necessary earn him more isk than what 10 pilots are earning each together in an incursion fleet

Wow. The stupid is strong with you.

Why don't you just come out and say "I want highsec Incursions to be the best earner in the game?"
Since all you're doing, is ignoring any counter argument to risk:reward and sucking on the ISK *****.

It's not about how much ONE pilot can earn in an hour, since the activity is a group activity, and ergo scales up in null, too.

Please, tell me, why SHOULD a player be able to earn more in highsec, pray tell?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#172 - 2011-11-16 16:21:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammzi
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Ammzi wrote:
Should you be able to earn more isk in highsec than in nullsec? Yes.
Because it depends on what you're doing.
What 1 lone pilot is doing in nullsec shouldn't necessary earn him more isk than what 10 pilots are earning each together in an incursion fleet

Wow. The stupid is strong with you.

Why don't you just come out and say "I want highsec Incursions to be the best earner in the game?"
Since all you're doing, is ignoring any counter argument to risk:reward and sucking on the ISK *****.

It's not about how much ONE pilot can earn in an hour, since the activity is a group activity, and ergo scales up in null, too.

Please, tell me, why SHOULD a player be able to earn more in highsec, pray tell?


*sighs* You are only ignorant to the fact that nullsec incursions will earn you more isk...

IF
YOU
ARE
DOING
IT
CORRECTLY

doing it wrong equals flying in an inefficient fleet with wrong ships, fittings and strategies for the sites.

If I had the choice between going to nullsec and do incursions or highsec I'd pick nullsec, BUT MY FRIEND:

Forming a fleet, the ships, scouting our way into the system and then running the site takes some additional effort and it's not simply something you do 2-3 hours every day because you'll end up having earned more isk in highsec (unless you actually lived there, or your blues did and you didn't have to go 30+ jumps to go there).
Nullsec systems aren't for PUG fleets, but for larger alliances/corporations.

Lowsec is mostly ruled by goons and friends. Forming any fleet to go there will be met by hostility because they have eyes in our channel and will just form up a blob fleet to counter us.

If my alliance had sov in nullsec and an incursion spawned there I'd be extremely happy to run there instead of highsec. In null there's less competition, you can shoot when people **** you off and the rewards are so much higher <3.

Lots of highsec pilots earn more than what a nullsec pilot earns in nullsec. The other way around lots of nullsec pilots earn more than what a highsec pilot earns in highsec.
It all depends on who you pick out.
The explorer in highsec vs. the explorer in nullsec.
The miner in highsec vs. the miner in nullsec.
The incursion runner in highsec vs. the incursion runner in nullsec.
Zemkhoff
Infinite Density
#173 - 2011-11-16 18:41:10 UTC
Ammzi wrote:


*sighs* You are only ignorant to the fact that nullsec incursions will earn you more isk...

IF
YOU
ARE
DOING
IT
CORRECTLY

doing it wrong equals flying in an inefficient fleet with wrong ships, fittings and strategies for the sites.


This would be a valid argument 10 months ago. But now when the puggest of the pug fleets has at least maels, sleipnirs and lokis, its pretty bad. It will only get more over the top as time goes on and everyone starts settling into their shiny nightmare they bought with incursion isk. In BTL pub i'd say the scrub ships being advertised are in the minority now.


Quote:

If my alliance had sov in nullsec and an incursion spawned there I'd be extremely happy to run there instead of highsec. In null there's less competition, you can shoot when people **** you off and the rewards are so much higher <3.

Lots of highsec pilots earn more than what a nullsec pilot earns in nullsec. The other way around lots of nullsec pilots earn more than what a highsec pilot earns in highsec.
It all depends on who you pick out.
The explorer in highsec vs. the explorer in nullsec.
The miner in highsec vs. the miner in nullsec.
The incursion runner in highsec vs. the incursion runner in nullsec.


What it comes down to is that a somewhat better reward doesn't scale well with uninterrupted farming in safe conditions using optimized pimp setups.

Sanctums compare favorably with incursions right up until you consider that most space cant have them, and that you can't exactly travel to them like you can with highsec incursions. Those that do host sanctums are saturated with ratters, and getting good anoms in succession is anything but steady.

The same is true for ded sites and exploration, but in a more dramatic way. You can easily make more than incursions, but it depends on how lucky you are between the sites spawning, escalations and the drops.
Rod Blaine
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#174 - 2011-11-16 18:55:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rod Blaine
I insincerely hope the guy that thought up incursions was in that 20% cut.
If not, please fire more sets of 20% at random untill you hit jackpot.

Do the same with the guy that thought introducing a "hit this and get rich" anom-scanner button was a luminous improvement to the game.

Instead, find the guy that dit WH space and clone him about two hundred times and fire everyone else.


If it's the same guy, nah, not possible.
offcopy
OffBeat Creations
#175 - 2011-11-16 18:56:10 UTC
Zemkhoff wrote:
Ammzi wrote:


*sighs* You are only ignorant to the fact that nullsec incursions will earn you more isk...

IF
YOU
ARE
DOING
IT
CORRECTLY

doing it wrong equals flying in an inefficient fleet with wrong ships, fittings and strategies for the sites.


This would be a valid argument 10 months ago. But now when the puggest of the pug fleets has at least maels, sleipnirs and lokis, its pretty bad. It will only get more over the top as time goes on and everyone starts settling into their shiny nightmare they bought with incursion isk. In BTL pub i'd say the scrub ships being advertised are in the minority now.


Quote:

If my alliance had sov in nullsec and an incursion spawned there I'd be extremely happy to run there instead of highsec. In null there's less competition, you can shoot when people **** you off and the rewards are so much higher <3.

Lots of highsec pilots earn more than what a nullsec pilot earns in nullsec. The other way around lots of nullsec pilots earn more than what a highsec pilot earns in highsec.
It all depends on who you pick out.
The explorer in highsec vs. the explorer in nullsec.
The miner in highsec vs. the miner in nullsec.
The incursion runner in highsec vs. the incursion runner in nullsec.


What it comes down to is that a somewhat better reward doesn't scale well with uninterrupted farming in safe conditions using optimized pimp setups.

Sanctums compare favorably with incursions right up until you consider that most space cant have them, and that you can't exactly travel to them like you can with highsec incursions. Those that do host sanctums are saturated with ratters, and getting good anoms in succession is anything but steady.

The same is true for ded sites and exploration, but in a more dramatic way. You can easily make more than incursions, but it depends on how lucky you are between the sites spawning, escalations and the drops.


with the new changes to anoms this should change.
i know that -0.68 system atlest have 1 sanctum and as you can do them in 15 minutes in a faction pimped out faction bs you can get the isk in very fast 35m isk before loot/salvage so 105m isk/ph (35x3) that gives you your 5 minutes between respwarns
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#176 - 2011-11-16 18:59:30 UTC
Zemkhoff, I am not saying incursions are perfect.
There's a lot of changes I'd like to see implemented.

Nerf vanguards by 10-15 % and buff assaults and headquarters by 20 %.
Enhance the sansha and capsuleer influence gains so that incursions last a couple of days at least so they don't have to be farmed to death by creating agreements between incursion runners. Simply let is last longer than just 4 hours without the current agreements!

Right now the average payout of a highsec assault/headquarter fleets equals what a lone good lvl 4 mission runner earns.
You should be rewarded for organizing a fleet with 19/39 other pilots to combat sansha ...
Vanguards are the most popular sites, that should be changed (not only highsec, but lower security space as well).
Andrei Taganov
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#177 - 2011-11-17 00:26:44 UTC
Rod Blaine wrote:
I insincerely hope the guy that thought up incursions was in that 20% cut.
If not, please fire more sets of 20% at random untill you hit jackpot.

Do the same with the guy that thought introducing a "hit this and get rich" anom-scanner button was a luminous improvement to the game.

Instead, find the guy that dit WH space and clone him about two hundred times and fire everyone else.


If it's the same guy, nah, not possible.


Is it wrong that when I read that CCP laid off 20% of their staff relating to WoD, Incarna, and other errata, the first thing I thought was: CCP just got 20% cooler?

~Andrei.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#178 - 2011-11-17 01:39:25 UTC
here's a fun idea: Incursioners should start using suicide alts to jam logis and wipe fleets rather than trying to contest them. They'll get some shiny faction loot, T2 salvage, plus more incursion rewards. Sounds like a perfect TDF tactic.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#179 - 2011-11-17 03:16:48 UTC
LacLongQuan wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:



You do not need probes to find anomalies and you can completely track down people while cloaked without local. If you think you don't run into things in whs I ask you to go into one, since at least March we've been running into many cloaked fleets prowling around. No dscan will help ya. It is a ******* blast


Been dare dun dat got the badge and cookies.Twisted

the same with your super duper incursion, sir.
if you die to sansha, you better get back to WoW

And it takes more skill to die in a fiery blob going to null sec am I right?!Roll

But then Ive never played WoW.... Eve is my only MMO and will be my sole gaming fun. As it has been for a few years now.Twisted I kinda like it I think Ill stay and just try to stake your stuff. But then Im an ebil bear... watch out!!PirateBear

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#180 - 2011-11-17 13:40:36 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
here's a fun idea: Incursioners should start using suicide alts to jam logis and wipe fleets rather than trying to contest them. They'll get some shiny faction loot, T2 salvage, plus more incursion rewards. Sounds like a perfect TDF tactic.


Hahaha, who says we aren't doing it already (I am not TDF btw).