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We were just messing around, getting ships ready for serious testing, and it kind of evolved.

Bottom line, 2 Paladin's and a Vargur, switched later to a Kronos, with no booster, ran an NMC.
One of the guys had run the NMC solo earlier in the day.

No ships were lost, which is good.
Naturally, with 3 ships, no real hard data can be gleaned on the efficiency of running the new version Marauders , but it is very very clear that they are really hammered with the loss of the webifier bonus. I need 10 Marauders in a VG to get a better handle on this.

A lot more testing is required, but gut feeling is that Marauders are heavily nerfed in VG's with these changes. And that does not even begin to factor in the huge nerf to ISK because of the massive increase moving from site to site.

Will add to the thread, or create a new one, as more testing is done.

Yeah, some context into how you ran the site would be helpful.

Did you just enter sit still and shoot, or did you enter, MJD away and shoot things as they burn at you?

So instead of using MJD which is greatly bonused on new Marauders and get range you just sit in one place and let frigs go under your guns? Yeah, it is CCP's fault for sure...

Sigh......and Scorch does how much damage compared to Imp Navy Multi-freq?
Last night was merely a hastily thrown together proof of concept.

There were no boosters, the bar was essentially red, we had 3 ships.
It was very very far from a complete test.

This entire thread was designed to give people a heads up that testing is going on, and try to encourage people to get involved in it. I should have realized that trolls like you would step up.

So unless you plan on getting onto Sisi to help out, well, shut up.

I don't know about the armor fleets but we use Vindicators. Shiney invul, SeBo, triple webs. And it's not uncommon for them to get 1800+ DPS either. Know a couple deep into the 2k range. Far far better than any T3 could ever hope to achieve. For stuff at range this is Tachmare/Mach territory. Mids filled with tracking comps, SeBos (to lock stuff before it even starts moving) and then just insta-pop everything possible. Once stuff gets into Vindi range we are already aligning to the next site...

No. What you are testing is whether Paladins can still fit into your incredibly narrow, ultra-specialized doctrine without you needing to adjust how you do things.

They won't. You're gonna have to adapt.

His testing is real - your statements are gimp replies to testing. "Adapt" works but if adapt is to dump an "improved" hull, it had best find uses in other areas.

Currently this hull isn't used for group activities much. As such, the loss in 1 area of "group activity" does need offsets in other areas - we aren't seeing the change-over, just a loss point -- so far.

Lots of wait and see still but don't dismiss the removal of a hull from use without some other uses gaining and the gains aren't showing yet. Again - yet. If they don't show then there is an actual issue. If they do show - ok, so it won't be used for incursions anymore - but *WILL* be used in other gang activity.

Enhancing solo play can have value but not when it is by removing the group use of a ship without a clear path for other group use.

A reasonable enough point, except for a couple things:

1. Few people use Paladin's outside of Incursions for PvE today . Yes, or course, the current models have a "niche" in grinding ISK (they do wonders against laser NPC's). But there are other hulls that are currently more efficient, and with the proposed nerf to the ship, will continue to.

2. I would love to see what percentage of people use this current model in PvP. I mean, c'mon we know that virtually no one does. And you know what, no one will still, after this thing has been messed with. How many people are going to throw around a 1 billion ISK sub cap hull, that in its "best" mode, if completely immobile for 1 minute? You want to talk about a "niche" boat? How about "niche" PvP, where is it good at docking games, and that is about it. (Don't talk to me about roving gangs of sniper Paladin's, especially after the speed nerf. It took me 28 minutes to manually warp 16 jumps on Sisi last night, sitting at the computer.)

The Marauder was a PvE ship, and should remain a PvE ship. Contrary to what the dev's wrecking this ship think, there should be ships that are PvE boats. Without people grinding ISK, the economy and the game grinds to a halt.

Of course, unless, their plan to nerf the overall PvE income streams in the game is their plan all along.