EVE General Discussion

The guy who sold me one for 20 bil must really have a big smile now, they are dropping at 12'ish bil now and price is going like express elevator to hell right now.

Guess I'll just stick with it as an expensive reminder of SomerGATE.

Don't think a devblog will change anything significant to be honest. It'll be just about the same response we got earlier.

Thanks for the input Manifest.

Personally, I don't see what the issue is. Something got given out as a thankyou, no different to me giving some passing noob 100m and patting him on the back for mining in a venture for a week. If I decided to do it, who is anyone to tell me it's wrong? The same applies here in my opinion.

You saw fit to show some appreciation, for YOUR reasons. Don't be swayed into giving your reasons for such things on the cry of a butthurt goon or two.

The sandbox hasn't been broken by any of this. No corp or alliance will fall as a result of you giving these gifts to Somer. I'm sure had one been offered to everyone that has taken such umbridge at this, they would have taken it, each and every one!

Btw, for those that haven't noticed:
This was not a "x employees were coincidally on vacation" but CCP employees going on vacation _together_.

If you follow them a bit, you see this is not an uncommon thing, e.g. they did this company zombie survival game etc.
And I think it's awesome that they have these together-vacations, it shows they like to spend time with each other outside work, that there is a good amount of company loyality amongst the employees. I know other people that would go "Pfft, I spend every work day with those idiots, I certainly won't spend my free time with them!" or the like.
Now sure, there's always the backup guys that have to stay in office, but that's the admins, a few programmers, GMs... but community dude is really not a time-critical thing, or at least it shouldn't be when dealing with rational players.
And even if there was maybe one guy of the community team in the office, imagine he would have tried to deal with that alone, it _could_ have gotten notably worse depending on what his latest orders/info were.

(CCP, please don't stop your vacation trips and stuff because of forum drama!)

Looking forward to reading the devblog. It is good to know this issue is finally being discussed.

It was quite disheartening that the first dev. response to the 60 odd page thread on the problem was to lock it. I agree that the discussion had gone off track...but the dev who locked it saying he had only read back a couple of pages. I got the impression you guys were letting players vent and weren't even bothering to read the thread. Other devs had posted on other blogs on Monday, such as the Rubicon threads, whilst ignoring the threadnought. It pretty much gave the impression you didn;t give a crap about our concerns.

Please next time you upset a good chunk of your subscribers (and it will happen again CCP <3) please train whoever feeds the hamsters in Iceland when you are all away to at least POST SOMETHING to at least say SOMEONE is reading IT and let us know WHEN we will get a response.

Thankyou

Great. Finally we might get some answers.

While penning that blog, from what I've seen in the various threads on the topic, I would suggest that you try to at least tentatively touch on the following main themes:

1. The secrecy surrounding the hand-out.
2. The opaqueness and seemingly arbitrary nature of the selection process.
3. The double-whammy of the individual hand-out and the corp promotion.
4. The distinction between community services and commercial entities promoting themselves.
5. The value of these handouts, including…
     5a. …the balance between giving something nice and something that doesn't provide significant (monetary) advantages.
     5b. …the balance between value and the effects of flooding the market (i.e. should give-away items be pre-flooded)?
     5c. …the perceived difference between relative and absolute increases in asset value.

Regardless of vacations and the like, CCP has applied the silence is golden-treatment to the community before and while we should always give them time to respond in a proper manner, one can't help but look at the current rage being, even if only partially, of CCPs own doing (the past taken into account).

In my oppinion the value of the IWS' is of little concern considering the amount of ISK generated by Somer Blink and its employees on a daily basis. One could argue that it messes with the sandbox and that we're all going to die now, but to be honest it is CCPs game to mess with and while the value of the IWS' is currently high, this is a value purely set by the players and as such it is out of the hands of CCP (one could argue that they could have given a special complimentary unit of Tritanium, but that may have been highly valued as well (collectors are weird), so in the end it's a loss/loss situation for CCP).

The big issue with this entire thing however is that it seems to me that CCP seems to have forgotten the past or, even worse, they choose to ignore the past. Is this the scale of T20? No way, but the problem is that, even if it is nowhere near T20 in scale, it has similarities (giving out stuff in secrecy being the gist of it) and I think it immediately rekindled the fire started by T20. Especially the way things have been handled so far.

Should they've aborted the company holiday to deal with internet spaceships? Of course not! But this shouldn't have happened in the first place, and that's my big problem with this entire thing. We've just had our 10th anniversary and we should be looking back at all the awesome things that have happened in EVE, but we shouldn't forget the bad things either. And most importantly - we should learn from them.

/m

grr goons

funny post though

When in doubt, blame goon.

This is a none issue.

Still.

Get over yourselves.