Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Its very simple idea:
- victim is asked for pay. Similar mechanics is used like in duel request.
- if he agrees to pay the 5 minutes timer will start. During that time he cannot get scrambled or disrupted bubled or anything. If any hostile action by any party was used against that victim the payment is cancelled but victim will never get his money back anyway (so that nobody abuses the system) and timer stopped. Pirates should organise safe exits for their victims and guard them untill timer ends.
- ransom transaction is sucessfull once timer is finished or victim manages to get to highsec during that time.

im going to have to say no. There are those that do want to scam you by ransoming you and blowing you up anyway. I cant condone something that would deprive them of that gameplay. On the plus side those that do honor ransoms will get a rep of doing so. Its all about emergent gameplay baby

I like it. You have some pirates that actually want to ransom. I think its a good idea, just needs some tweaks. When I first starting playing EVE, one of the most exciting moments for me was being ransomed. Sadly, you dont see this much. As Horus said, Piracy in EVE is a misnomer. There used to be prirates, but not anymore...dudes just gank now and call themselves pirates.

We have duel mechanics because they replace the old can clip mechanics.
Can flips used to create 'limited engagements' so to speak.
Then they got changed to create suspect flags, so a replacement to the can flip to create a limited engagement was created.

However, this proposed mechanic would be incredibly abuseable.
Either you could use it to give yourself warp scam immunity by ransoming each other for 1 isk.
Or you could simply abuse it by using someone out of fleet to kill them after they pay you.
Either way, it simply doesn't add significant value.

I'd be okay with a ransom feature for highsec. That could make wardecs interesting. The aggressor ransoms the victim for X amount of ISK. If accepted, the victim becomes an unlawful target to the aggressing party, and the money is transferred into the highest wallet of the aggressing party (ie. corp wallet for a corp-to-corp wardec). The unlawful target protection lasts for 15 minutes and is broken if the victim launches any sort of attack against any entity allied with the aggressing party, or performs any illegal action.

But no ransoms outside of highsec. I wish there were some way to ensure some trust in ransoms, but it cannot be completely solid. I really just wish there were more pirates with a reputation for honoring ransoms. It's hard to know if your aggressors can be trusted. Maybe we need third-party people to vouch for their reputation? "You can trust us to honor the ransom. Lemme get Helicity Boson in the chat to verify. He'll get 10% of the ransom money."

LOL

Can flipping was never intended as a mechanic for dueling, that's just the way it was often used because it was a relatively easy way to create an aggression timer in highsec. So can flipping was players using one mechanic to do something else.

The dueling mechanic is an actual mechanic that exists solely for dueling.

Ransoming does not have the same problem because there's no need for a mechanic. It's just ship-to-ship PVP that includes a convo and verbal interaction between two or more players.

You missunderstood. Victim is not immune. He is simply guarded by the pirates (its their investment) for next few minutes (ransom timer) and if he got scrambled or killed by his alt for example both parties lossing money so what would be the point of paying the 50% of his cargo to nobody and gaining bad reputation among pirates so the next time they just blow him up. Its a very simple system and you can only losse if you try to abuse it. Pirates gain nothing and you get nothing, your choice but stuipid and will get you no where.

They can! If the ransom was paid lets say 5 or 6 jumps away from highsec and victim is in a slow warping ship then there is a chance that timer will end and clever pirates might just finish him and loot the wreck. They can also destroy victim even if he pays. They still have a loot. Ransom is lost but who cares lol.

A lot of EVE players run with an absolute value system. If your losses are less than mine, I win.

As such, this idea would be used for lulz quite a bit. Get them to ransom, pop them, no income but they lost the ransom costs.

If they were into ransom, they could already do what you describe for protecting but that isn't how or why they choose to shoot you.

Besides - ever seen how long it takes a freighter to align and warp? Now put that into your ransom scenario in a long haul system. 5-6 minutes may not cover it if you bumped them from alignment to demand ransom.