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CSM Statement on the SOMER Promotion (with reply from CCP Pokethulu)

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#281 - 2013-10-08 21:26:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Rome's burning and CaesarCP fiddles.
Prince Kobol
#282 - 2013-10-08 21:49:50 UTC
Memnon Shepard wrote:
Posting here if only to say I'm still paying attention to this issue. I laughed when the only thing CCP could be bothered to do on the previous thread, after over 74 pages of customers expressing disapproval of their actions and requesting an official comment, was to shut the thread down and refer everyone to pages started as a result of completely separate topics.


Read my last post
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#283 - 2013-10-08 22:06:17 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
It's cool how the only response from CCP is to lock all related threads threads on the front page of GD.

That totally worked at the start of the Incarna debacle. Roll

Edit: And another one bites the dust. (That one was wholly constructive.)
At this point they're just trying to reduce visibility, CCP clearly doesn't want to address the underlying issue.
Oxylan
Blood Fanatics
#284 - 2013-10-08 22:11:10 UTC
Hi CCP Im Oxylan person who love your game since 2006 who spent online 514d 18h 00m, can i have cookie? I dont talk about my self i talk about thousands other people wo love your game..

And now serious what the hell to giving xx faction battleship to random corporarion as gift to evey member because they do some things to EvE community? this things i caled lotto - and dirty real life greed to be rich in Virtual reality ! like in every countrys lotto mechanic who reward one and robe milion others.

Ps. I dont want any reward for being your customer and Big fan and hardcore EvE player, all what you can offer me you give to me to me long time ago, by indroducing EvE online.

If it bleed we can kill it.
Memnon Shepard
The Occupation.
#285 - 2013-10-09 01:02:53 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
I actually agree with the thread being closed as the subject had long been abandon and the thread had become nothing more then a few people sniping, flaming and trolling each other which is unfortunate.

If you do not want to get threads locked then simply do not respond to people who are clearly trolling / flaming as if they get no response they will quickly get bored and move on elsewhere.


Even if you think closing the thread was correct, why would CCP have not made a comment of their own before locking? I think that's all many of the posters with complaints were requesting for most of the weekend.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#286 - 2013-10-09 03:21:58 UTC
CCP Response WiP: Soon
Prince Kobol
#287 - 2013-10-09 12:18:55 UTC
Memnon Shepard wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
I actually agree with the thread being closed as the subject had long been abandon and the thread had become nothing more then a few people sniping, flaming and trolling each other which is unfortunate.

If you do not want to get threads locked then simply do not respond to people who are clearly trolling / flaming as if they get no response they will quickly get bored and move on elsewhere.


Even if you think closing the thread was correct, why would CCP have not made a comment of their own before locking? I think that's all many of the posters with complaints were requesting for most of the weekend.


Erm, maybe because it was the weekend and also many staff were on holiday?

Also in response to a few others, its better having 1 thread opposed to many threads.

Just because people seem to have this feeling of some kind of self importance that makes them open a new entirely about the same subject over and over again is beyond me.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#288 - 2013-10-09 13:06:02 UTC
I'm still looking forward to how they respond to the fact that somer is known to ban people at their discretion (such as same IP address), and you are required to pay somer in order to partake.

There are plenty of people who pay their subscriptions and have accounts in good standing who were literally incapable of partaking in this give away, as the third party CCP gave control decided to exclude them.

That above all else is disgusting.
Prince Kobol
#289 - 2013-10-09 13:45:43 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I'm still looking forward to how they respond to the fact that somer is known to ban people at their discretion (such as same IP address), and you are required to pay somer in order to partake.

There are plenty of people who pay their subscriptions and have accounts in good standing who were literally incapable of partaking in this give away, as the third party CCP gave control decided to exclude them.

That above all else is disgusting.



I posted why in the other thread.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#290 - 2013-10-09 16:04:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Carka Gerschen wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Carka Gerschen wrote:
I am just wondering about a few things though, since when is making ISK in an online videogame a commercial lottery. I might not understand the US legal system, but that might even be too farfetched for the US legal system.

And the second thing is, wasn't the reintroduction of unique ships the main issue here and the biggest problem, considering this wasn't something worthy for the CSM to look at when CCP gave Somer Blink some prizes at their last celebration.

And going for hypothetical legal systems, wouldn't changing the way the drawing is done be a breach of contract with the people who entered ISK into the Somer Blink site, with the promise of gaining a bigger chance of winning those items?

Regards,

Carka



You know how you go to a casino, and purchase chips with cash, those chips do not have any value outside of the casino?

Yeah. Isk can be bought with real cash. When you have a business (And somer blink is a business) that has business practices dealing with ingame and out of game money (GTC cards for instance)... it becomes a commercial lottery.

When your boss draws names from his employee pool to see who gets to stay late, that is not a commercial lottery.


That would be true if you would buy tokens for Somer blink with real life money, which you don't. You use ISK to buy ticket in the lottery. While it is true, that there is a way to get ISK for real life money by means of buying a PLEX, there is still the issue, that there is no way to exchange the ISK back to real life money.

Eventhough it is true, Somer blink makes real life money, by a comission they get from linking people to the MarkeeDragon site, that is not directly related to the ISK people put into the site. So your analogy is not entirely correct and I still would say it is not a commercial lottery. But to each their own opinion.



Well, for 1 the tokens are not free.

Second, if I were to have a referral site in my bio, or in my signature, would you choose my link over Somer Blink? (I would not be offering anything to you except the ease of clicking the link you might have happened across).

I'd guess no, since I would not be offering any incentives to buy GTC from me, and wouldn't be supplying you a chance to get any ingame items/isk.

The analogy can also be used that even if you lose in a casino, the fact you spent money there could get you free drinks and even a free room for the night. ("Comps").

Lottery may be the incorrect term, but it's used loosely since when you gamble, you bet against the dealer/house (blackjack/roulette/slot machines) whereas lotteries are more like hold 'em, keno, and those nifty wheels that have dollar bills your pointer can land on.

Loosely, again, those can be compared to bonks, minibonks, promo blinks, and paid blinks.

Alternatively, you can also equate Somer Blink to being a strip club you have to pay a cover to get into, just for the ability to hand a stripper a dollar and maybe get a face full of tit. Or a lap dance.

But I don't want to offend anyone =)

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#291 - 2013-10-09 17:37:13 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Mr Reid said

Quote:
To that end, we will develop a clear policy on how we plan to conduct future events, including how we will determine which 3rd parties and which events will receive CCP support, and we will develop that policy in consultation with the CSM.


So no, it isn't just ask and get. As to it being a new thing look back through the larger player meets and events. Swag has been happening for more than the past month. It is just this made the news because of the scale of the swag.

We (CSM) are working on it as the above letter shows. They (CCP) is working on it as well.

m


Well hell, if that's the case, I'd like to enter my corp as a 3rd party ready to recieve T2 BPOs and GVexors....
Ciaphas Cyne
Moira.
#292 - 2013-10-10 11:39:03 UTC
ive always seen any sort of organized gambling institution as a tax on the stupid. ive also always seen CCP as the kind of company that would actively try to mess with its player base for the lulz.

"buff only the stuff I fly and nerf everything else"

  • you
Keeper of TheLost
Empty Skulls
#293 - 2013-10-10 15:56:26 UTC
OK CCP has in a way said they made a mistake and in the future it will not happen like this again. Now to the ? everyone wants to know is how are they going to fix the current mistake. I think they will try to let this blow over thinking that the players will forget about it quickly with the new expansion coming out. I wouldn't have been bothered if it was GTC's that were given out but in game items so rare and that expensive kinda give an unfair advantage in game to the ones that received the free ships. Just goes to show us that what we thought was a player run universe is actually not.
Skywalker
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#294 - 2013-10-10 18:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Skywalker
Unfortunately this whole things smells WRONG in the first place, what about common sense, things like this shouldn't even need a corporate policy.
I have been playing for 10+y and this is one of few times CCP actually upset me.

Then again, i am against things that affects the Eve universe from outside, don't like PLEX's either but it doesn't mean i don't buy them, they are already affecting the game since they are present.
Eve universe should be kept unaltered from outside real life events and GOD like actions.
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#295 - 2013-10-10 22:07:11 UTC  |  Edited by: FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
My theory is that 9 out of 10 conspiracies are actually down to incompetence. But I have a feeling there is something else here that is being hidden.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#296 - 2013-10-11 10:45:12 UTC
Keeper of TheLost wrote:
OK CCP has in a way said they made a mistake and in the future it will not happen like this again. Now to the ? everyone wants to know is how are they going to fix the current mistake. I think they will try to let this blow over thinking that the players will forget about it quickly with the new expansion coming out. I wouldn't have been bothered if it was GTC's that were given out but in game items so rare and that expensive kinda give an unfair advantage in game to the ones that received the free ships. Just goes to show us that what we thought was a player run universe is actually not.


"yes we made a mistake, but the four hundred billion in personal prizes we gave them (not to mention the profits from the officially endorsed lottery with unique prizes we made for them) will not be altered, other groups wont get these in the future because clearly it was wrong"

brilliant. That's exactly what we wanted to hear.

lmao
Ginger Barbarella
#297 - 2013-10-11 16:17:17 UTC
Sooo... CCP is giving away a couple Gold Magnates and a few GV's through a for-profit gambling site that requires a purchase to win, is that what the hubub is all about?

Pretty sure that's not terribly legal in the US, but I'm not a lawyer and don't even play one on teevee. But hey, they can do whatever they want: it's all just ones and zeros.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#298 - 2013-10-12 03:57:45 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Keeper of TheLost wrote:
OK CCP has in a way said they made a mistake and in the future it will not happen like this again. Now to the ? everyone wants to know is how are they going to fix the current mistake. I think they will try to let this blow over thinking that the players will forget about it quickly with the new expansion coming out. I wouldn't have been bothered if it was GTC's that were given out but in game items so rare and that expensive kinda give an unfair advantage in game to the ones that received the free ships. Just goes to show us that what we thought was a player run universe is actually not.


"yes we made a mistake, but the four hundred billion in personal prizes we gave them (not to mention the profits from the officially endorsed lottery with unique prizes we made for them) will not be altered, other groups wont get these in the future because clearly it was wrong"

brilliant. That's exactly what we wanted to hear.

lmao

I'm sure they are glad this has satisfied you

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Juniper Weatherwax
Industrial Waste Removal Services
#299 - 2013-10-12 13:31:27 UTC
Chitsa Jason wrote:
First :)


Why is this post not removed, it adds nothing to this extremely interesting discussion? It is correct the OP makes the point for restructuring, but this posts neither adds anything, not contributes in any way.

Please remove this and similar posts. TY.
Soul-on-Ice
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#300 - 2013-10-12 19:04:56 UTC
join channel "pr0m0" for intel on promo blinks.


If you got a crap load of tokens and nothing to show for it, pr0m0 channel is a good way to get tips about promo blinks.

join us. or die.