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New warp acceleration speed to effect FW tactics?
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Martin Cromack
Polaris Space Industries
#1 - 2013-10-08 13:11:01 UTC
I was thinking about the effect the warp speed changes may have on Faction Warfare.

It might now be possible to get a tackle on someone in a plex, engage with them and have a fleet waiting in another system who can get to you nice and quickly, even before the fight is over. Also I wonder if the warp speed will effect accelleration gates too.

Might be a slight nerf to the farmers??
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-10-08 13:53:38 UTC
I think that acceleration gate warp speeds are fixed, rather than dependent on ship warp speed.

I do think that for a while at least you'll see EAFs / Inty gangs by the bucketload. The sheer deployment speed and ability to lock things down so well is hard to ignore. That does, however, mean that paradoxically T1 / faction frigs become a bit more important, as you'll see more focus on EWAR gangs in Small / Mediums / Gates.

Hyenas are a game changer for small gang warfare though, even moreso than the Sentinel.

As far as counters, look for more fast locking alpha boats. Artillery and railgun platforms for the win, IMO. Our Arty Thrasher fleets will be second only to our Derptron Hordes.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#3 - 2013-10-08 13:54:02 UTC
Stealth nerf to farmers.

JUSTK is recruiting
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#4 - 2013-10-08 14:43:16 UTC
You will have alot less time to decide if you want to engage or run.
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-10-09 19:08:50 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Stealth nerf to farmers.


Or not.

Now they have some nice new faction Sisters of Eve Cloaky ships to use as well as stealth bombers..
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#6 - 2013-10-09 20:04:47 UTC
Considering that the warp tunnel for a FW plex is rather short, I'd say that the acceleration advantage won't matter. Run the numbers if you choose.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-10-09 20:30:20 UTC
JAF Anders wrote:
Considering that the warp tunnel for a FW plex is rather short, I'd say that the acceleration advantage won't matter. Run the numbers if you choose.


I believe the issue is that a gang of frigates in the next system can now jump in and warp to the acceleration gate in half the time it used to take.

Look forward to more frigate bait ganks after this
Merely Runaway
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-10-09 21:15:48 UTC
Unless they are fleeted, say goodbye to large ships in lowsec.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#9 - 2013-10-11 03:07:00 UTC
Slight nerf to farmers just because you will be visible on d-scan for a few seconds less.

What could be interesting is fitting a rig to increase your warp speed. Maybe you could catch the farmers that scoot from the Novice to the Small as soon as you land on grid. We'll see.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Mycael
Air
The Initiative.
#10 - 2013-10-11 07:02:06 UTC
Plexing mediums solo in a cruiser. Good luck with that.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#11 - 2013-10-11 08:17:08 UTC
we did some testing and using interceptor as tackler you can make 25 au warp, activate plex gate and go in and tackle enemy in about 20 sec.

Current time for such operation is more than minute.

So yes, new faster gank tactics may be possible
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#12 - 2013-10-11 11:05:02 UTC
Those SOE ships + eaf and inty changes are going to completely **** with the FW meta for a while. I for one will be flying nothing expensive till the meta sorts itself out after a few months and I work out whats actually good and what's just fear of the unknown.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-10-11 13:58:14 UTC
Seems like they are going to have to increase warp core strength for larger ships if we ever want to see Battleships anymore.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-10-11 14:23:34 UTC
Mycael wrote:
Plexing mediums solo in a cruiser. Good luck with that.


Quite a few cruisers are very strong against frigates, this just means that cruisers that are very good against other cruisers but bad against frigates will become less viable.

Wouldn't be of particular concern in an Omen/Stabber/Caracal/Rail Thorax sitting at range though.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#15 - 2013-10-11 15:20:06 UTC
Someone enters local, you align, dscan shows inty, you warp immediately. Simples. There is a chance that in a short warp an inty may get you between dscans but that's going to be quite a fluke circumstance.

Daytrip pew in a wormhole will be fun. Scan hole down, find pve dude running a site, warp to him and point him before he knows wtf is happening.

Again, not 'that' easy but pretty close to it.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#16 - 2013-10-11 15:21:40 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
we did some testing and using interceptor as tackler you can make 25 au warp, activate plex gate and go in and tackle enemy in about 20 sec.

Current time for such operation is more than minute.

So yes, new faster gank tactics may be possible


sorry for double post, in that circumstance a dscan will pick you up and GTFO. The funny moments will be the plexes near gates..... warp to plex, engage gate and point in sub 5-10 seconds? Probably possible. Anyone able to test this?
Zeeth Bru
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
#17 - 2013-10-11 18:10:43 UTC
My response to the change:

"THE DERPTRONS, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, THEY'RE IN MY RACOON WOUNDS! AAAAAAAAAHHHGAWRGLAWGRL"

Tl;dr: I'm okay with this.
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-10-11 18:33:54 UTC
Zeeth Bru wrote:
My response to the change:

"THE DERPTRONS, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, THEY'RE IN MY RACOON WOUNDS! AAAAAAAAAHHHGAWRGLAWGRL"

Tl;dr: I'm okay with this.


Yeah, but swapping out resist rigs for HSVO rigs doubles the cost of our derptrons....

... and makes them 60% faster in warp.

Totally worth it.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Zeeth Bru
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
#19 - 2013-10-11 19:19:17 UTC
Veskrashen wrote:
Zeeth Bru wrote:
My response to the change:

"THE DERPTRONS, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, THEY'RE IN MY RACOON WOUNDS! AAAAAAAAAHHHGAWRGLAWGRL"

Tl;dr: I'm okay with this.


Yeah, but swapping out resist rigs for HSVO rigs doubles the cost of our derptrons....

... and makes them 60% faster in warp.

Totally worth it.



Oh noes! Not a 2-4 million isk derptron!

Bahahaha, TOTALLY worth it!
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#20 - 2013-10-12 19:39:45 UTC
Quote:
New warp acceleration speed to effect FW tactics?

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